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    18 Nov 2008

    When we started 800Notes.com we had no idea that telemarketing fraud comes in so many flavors. The variations include 'cramming', 'slamming', credit card scams, calls from telemarketers pretending to be IRS, sweepstakes and lotteries scams, advance fee  loan scams, phone toner scams, fat finger dialing scams, and area code phone scams.

    Typically the goal is to get you to reveal personal, bank account information, or to make you do something that will result in unwanted charges on your account. Individuals and businesses are equally affected by these scams although the schemes might be different.

    In this article I will outline the 16 most popular phone scams. I am sure there are more, so if you have been a victim of a phone scam, or you know of a phone scam not mentioned here, please share it with me and the readers in the comments.

    Send this article to your family members, co-workers, and employees. Give it to your teenage kids and elderly parents (studies show they are the most vulnerable to the scams). As the old saying goes, "Forewarned is Forearmed".

    1. One of the ‘hottest’ scams in the telemarketing industry these days involves companies that sell Auto-Warranties. It’s usually a robo-call. The recording starts with: “This is your final notice! The warranty on your car is about to expire…” Of course, the caller has no idea whether you even have a car, not to mention its warranty. After the recording is played you are connected to a live operator who often refuses to send anything in the mail until you make your first payment. The experienced salesman will use high-pressure tactics rushing you into making a payment.

      Victims, who fell for the scam and “extended their warranties” report that the companies often fail to send any paperwork and routinely deny policy payments.

      Tracing the calls to the companies is difficult. The calls often come from telemarketing centers located overseas. Also, the companies often spoof their caller ID information to display someone’s else’s real number. When people receive these calls they dial the number they see on Caller ID and leave angry messages for an unsuspecting victim. Two-three days later the telemarketers change the Caller ID number and the scam continues.

    2. Another phone scam involves calls from “Prize Distribution Centers” that claim that you are the winner in sweepstakes or a lottery. Of course, you are not the only “winner” in the lottery and tens of thousands of people received the same call. The goal of the scheme is to entice you to make a relatively small payment (for example, shipping and handling fee, a sales tax) promising that a much bigger prize will be sent your way. Once the payment is sent, you will most likely not hear from the company again, and a promised “Lincoln Navigator” will not find its way to your driveway.
    3. Offers to Lower Your Interest Rates: The calls begin with a recording that makes a tempting offer to lower your credit-card interest rates. Then you are switched to a live agent who collects from you the credit card number and its expiration, name, address, and in some cases even your social security number. The telemarketers have no intention of giving consumers better interest rates on their cards and instead use the information to commit identity theft and run up unwanted charges.

      Again, tracing these scam artists is difficult: they spoof the caller ID information and use numerous VOIP accounts set up using stolen credit cards. The best thing to do is hang up, report the call to FTC and warn others through 800notes.com.

    4. Fake Bank Alert Messages: A fake message from a local bank says that your card is being suspended and that you need to call this toll free number to activate it. Of course, the toll free number does not belong to the bank and when you call they ask to verify your account information, which includes your name, date of birth, SSN, address, credit card number, etc. Once they have your personal information, they can use it to commit identity theft charging your existing credit cards, opening new credit card, checking, or savings accounts, writing fraudulent checks, or taking out loans in your name.
    5. Advanced Fee Loan Scams: In this scenario a telemarketer promises a consumer a loan or a credit card on very attractive terms. All the consumer has to do is just send a processing fee, or provide checking account info, and the offer was guaranteed. To make the offer sound even more attractive the scammers might throw in a free laptop, an iPod, or any other 'hot item'. After the payment is made the company disappears, and the victim is often left with an empty checking account and NSF (Non-sufficient funds) bank fees.
    6. Fat Finger Dialing Scam: A simple mistake in dialing - or writing down - a phone number can be costly. The type of con it plays into is called a "fat finger dialing" scam. Consumers make a mistake dialing a number and end up connected to someone who leads them down a rip-off path. Almost any frequently called number is likely to be a target for the "fat finger" approach. Take the national number for the Do Not Call list run by the Federal Trade Commission. The correct number is (888) 382-1222. But if you are off by just one digit, you can end up calling a number that tells you the number has been changed. The number it directs you to call will charge you $5.49 plus an "administrative recovery fee," for "a new national directory assistance service."
    7. Free Listing at Yellow Pages:  This scam targets businesses. The caller says that he is from Yellow Pages and is calling to update their records. He proceeds by asking to confirm some basic information such as owner’s name, business phone number, address, and company name. Then they start billing the victim and only then the business owner realizes that it’s not a free listing and it was not Yellow Pages directory that called.

      The victims report that when they call to complain, the company plays the recorded conversation with the victim saying 'Yes' except that the caller is reading from a completely different script. The scammers replace one side of the conversation, making it sound as if the business owner agreed to a paid listing and a monthly fee.

    8. Bogus Fund-Raising Operations: 800Notes.com users report getting calls from scam artists posing as a charity and asking for donations. However, the charity is either non-existent or unaware of the solicitation.

      When it comes to donations, it’s best to never make donations over the phone and donate directly to the beneficiary not the solicitor. This way 100% of your money will go to the charity not 10-15% as it often happens when donations are made through a telemarketer or even 0% if the money goes to a bogus charity.

    9. International Phone Calls Scam: It's not always easy to tell if you're dialing an international telephone number. In most cases, you have to dial 011 to begin a call to a foreign country. However, there are locations outside the U.S. where telephone numbers may look like domestic long-distance calls, but are actually international calls and international rates will apply.

      For example, 284 (British Virgin Islands), 242(Bahamas), 246(Barbados), 268(Antigua/Barbuda), 345(Cayman Islands), 664(Montserrat), 670 (U.S. commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands), 758(St. Lucia), 787(Puerto Rico), 767(Dominica), 809(Dominican Republic), 869(St. Kitts & Nevis), 868(Trinidad & Tobago), and 876(Jamaica) are all area codes in the Caribbean.

      The scheme: the scammer often leaves a message typically asking consumers to call what appears to be an ordinary long-distance telephone number to confirm a lottery prize, or to get information about a relative who has been injured in an accident. In each case, you are told to call the number right away. Since there are so many new area codes these days, people unknowingly return the calls. Once the number is dialed, the scam artist will try to keep you on the phone as long as possible to increase the charges. Unfortunately, when you get your phone bill, you might find that you’ve been charged $2500 per minute.

      If you are asked to call unknown number, google the area code to check if it’s local. Also, ask your cell phone and land line companies to put a block on international calls. This way you will hear an error message when you try to call an international number.

    10. Phone Toner Scam: The scam artist poses as a warehouse representative or vendor and makes contact with a targeted company. He will say "This is (first name), I need the model number off your copier". If the person who answers gives this info, the scammers will try to set up a shipment of toner. Of course, the deal is so good that the offer is based on a limited supply or limited time, pressuring the employee to act fast and get their money's worth. Upon delivery, both the employee and the company are usually in for a big surprise. The price of the invoiced toner is 2-3 times higher than expected, and the scam artist threatens with legal fines if the company fails to pay.
    11. "Cramming": When monthly charges pop up on your telephone bill for optional services that you never authorized such as voice mail, paging, or club membership, it's called "cramming." You may be asked to return a missed call because it’s 'Your lucky day' and you’ve won a trip to Las Vegas. When the call is made, an automated system is activated and you are unknowingly enrolled in a club or program, and the charge is placed on your phone bill. The crammer might not even need to do anything except simply pick your phone number out of the blue and place charges on your bill through your local telephone company, claiming that you agreed to purchase some services.

      Look at your bill closely every month. Charges for optional services should be itemized and show the name of the company providing them and its phone number. If you did not authorize the services, call that number and insist that they be canceled and the charges removed from your bill.

      Also, consider putting a third party block on your phone service. It's often free and it does not let any third party add charges to your phone bill.

    12. "Slamming": Slamming occurs when customers have their telephone service switched to a new carrier without their permission. You may receive a call from a telemarketer asking you to switch your long distance provider. Although you say you are not interested in switching, your long distance provider is changed anyway.
    13. Caller ID Spoofing: Generally, the scam works like this - you receive a call where total strangers pretend to be someone else and they back up their claims with spoofed Caller ID. The scam artists might then ask for money, demand a payment, request your personal information, addresses, or banking info. People report getting calls from 'Secretary of State', grandchildren, law firms, IRS, and government officials.
      • For example, in one scheme the caller identified himself as a court official and informed the victim that she is being prosecuted for failing to show up for Jury Duty. When the victim replies that this is the first time she hears that she was summoned for jury duty, the caller suggests that this may be a clerical error in the court system, and he asks for her full legal name, date of birth, and Social Security number to check the official summons files. The scam artist informs the victim that this data will be kept confidential, but it is required for cancellation of the outstanding arrest warrant.
      • In another variation of this scam 'government officials' call to offer a 'Government Grant': 'Because you pay your income taxes on time, you have been awarded a $12,500 government grant! To get your free grant, simply give us your checking account information, and we will deposit the grant into your bank account!'  You may receive a message like this, where the caller claims to be from a government agency or some other organization with an official sounding name. The caller might claim that you will qualify to receive a "free grant" to pay for education costs, home repairs, home business expenses, or bills. In any case, the claim is the same: your application for a grant is guaranteed to be accepted, and you'll never have to pay the money back.
      • Scam IRS calls: In this scheme people receive phone calls from a caller who impersonates an IRS employee. The caller asks the taxpayer for their Social Security and bank account numbers, claiming that the IRS needs the information to complete the processing of the taxayer's payment. In another variation of the scheme, 'an IRS employee' states that the check issued by IRS has not been cashed, and the IRS is calling to verify the individual’s bank account number.

      Hang up, find the official number of the organization and call to report the incident. Also, don't send money - cash, check or money order - by courier, overnight delivery or wire to anyone who insists on immediate payment.

    14. Call Forwarding Scam: You may receive a call or message where the caller, requests you to dial a 2-digit code preceded or followed by the * or # key (such as *79 or 72#), and then another phone number to claim some prize. This procedure programs your telephone to forward your calls to another number, possibly a toll or long distance number. Scammers can then call your number, be forwarded to the number you dialed and place calls that are billed to your home telephone number.
    15. Telemarketing Travel Fraud: These scams have many variations and often involve travel packages that sound legitimate. You get a phone call and the caller is saying that you have been selected to receive a free trip. Skilled salespeople will tell you, to be eligible for the free trip, you must join their travel club. Later, you may find another fee is required to make your reservation. In the end, you may never get your "free" trip because your reservations are never confirmed or you must pay different fees, or comply with hard-to-meet or expensive conditions.

      Check out the company with your state, provincial and local consumer protection office before you buy any product or service. Also, be wary of "great deals" and free offers. Few legitimate businesses can afford to give away products and services of real value or substantially undercut other companies' prices.

    16. Get Rich Quick Schemes: Scam artists lure both would-be entrepreneurs and people looking for home-based work with false promises of big earnings for little effort. The schemes often require an initial investment and involve selling items on Ebay or making sales calls. However, once the payment is sent the companies often disappear.

    The truth is everyone is susceptible to phone scams. Scam artists will devise a highly believable story to solicit information from their victims. That's why it is important to never give out any personal information over the phone if you are not the one who initiated the call even if that person claims to be a law enforcement official or someone from your financial institution. If you are returning a missed call, research the caller first. Also, always check 800notes.com to read other people's experiences with the caller. If you stay alert, you can certainly reduce your risk of falling victim to phone scams.

    Comments

    • uri d.
      18 Nov 2008
      Excellent article! The list is quite comprehensive, can't think of adding anything else.
      • Not Buyin' It replies to uri d.
        13 Jan 2009
        Let me add one thing. NEVER EVER give someone your Social Security Number over the phone. No legitimate company or government agency will EVER ask you for it over the phone. I work as a Federal government employee, and we are not even allowed to accept that kind of private information over the phone or fax machine. DON'T DO IT!
        • DD replies to Not Buyin' It
          19 Jan 2009
          If you are calling to question the tax department - you need to give your social insurance number - how else will they find the file?  It's the first question they ask.
          • cook replies to DD
            29 Jan 2009
            of course if YOU call the tax people then its up to your discretion wether or not you want to give out that kind of info over the phone. But never ever ever give out ur SIN number if someone calls you. Scammers will most likely pretend to be calling from somewhere that they have stumbled upon your info such as the bank that you deal with, ect ect ...
            • soapmaker47 replies to cook
              7 May 2009
              also It is wise to never use a cordless phone. I enjoy the hobby of scanning frequencies I have a licence to buy my scanner. I can tell you when you use a cordless phone baby monitors etc someone may be listening . Not everyone abides by the rules of this hobby which are. Never discuss what you hear with any one.
              • Lord_Beavis replies to soapmaker47
                27 May 2009
                License for a scanner?  What country do you live in?
              • dave replies to soapmaker47
                4 Jun 2009
                if your cordless phone range extends outside your house you have a better one than mine!  can a scanner pick up most cordless phones from over a few hundred feet awayu?
                • LSC replies to dave
                  10 Jun 2009
                  Absolutely! I used to know a guy who drove around neighborhoods with a handset until he got dial tone, and then...
                  I personally use my phone through my home in 4br duplex townhouse nearly 80ft deep. And can access 7 of the 13 wireless home computer networks I see from my home! (And I'm no hacker.) Be aware!
                  • blueyes replies to LSC
                    21 Jul 2009
                    But if the computer owner sets up their wireless with appropriate security, etc. then you shouldn't be able to access them. It's the ones that haven't secured their systems that you can pick up.
                    • anothernote replies to blueyes
                      28 Jul 2009
                      In addition, either disable the default administrator account or create a complex password for it (XP only).  By default, the administrator account password is blank.  Hackers can gain complete access to your computer through an unsecured wireless network this way.
                  • Shells replies to LSC
                    13 Nov 2009
                    We believe this has happened to my mother....she's had $1000 in operator assisted calls placed through her account.  She's a recent FIOS customer (June) and in September these charges appeared.  I worked for Verizon & one of my tech friends mentioned the cordless phone problem.
                  • Needtoknowbasis replies to LSC
                    7 Jan 2010
                    Wow some creep drove around picking up digital tones... to do what i ask?  Hackerssss!!! ha just playn lol
                • Russell replies to dave
                  4 Nov 2009
                  I've had a few of the old 800mhz ones(that most older scanners can listen into) that worked more than a block away! even 1 that went 2 full blocks!


                  > if your cordless phone range extends outside your house you have a better > one than mine!  can a scanner pick up most cordless phones from over a few > hundred feet awayu?
                • Vickie E. replies to dave
                  24 Dec 2009
                  A few years ago, I was hooking up my cordless Mic for my video camera and I picked up my next door neighbors on there baby monitor. So you do have to be some what careful.
                  • Jim replies to Vickie E.
                    28 Jan 2010
                    U was doing a gig in a club and suddenly I heard some orchestral music coming out of my big Marshall amplifier speakers. We're a nasty heavy metal band - so the effect was somewhat weird.
                    • ANA replies to Jim
                      23 Feb 2010
                      I put a advise, to clean house because of economic problem. The page -where put it, say free. But, I have received some calls to say, that I have to pay $5 dollar for the first month, and after it, $79.99, they said that It's to be paid by credicard or check. Why do not by money Order?
                • tvnewswatch replies to dave
                  12 Jan 2010
                  Scanners can, with suitable aerials, receive cordless phones and baby monitor broadcasts from up to 200 metres. However, most cordless phones are now digital making them less prone to eavesdropping. Be aware too that some baby monitors also broadcast video, which can also be received and pose other privacy issues. As far as I am aware only the US allows some licencing of scanners. Members of the press widely use them there, and even though they may not be fitted in a vehicle, this restriction is widely flouted.
                • JR replies to dave
                  17 Jan 2010
                  yes a scanner can pick it up thought  now a days phones are digital not analog I know I use to it in Florida as well as nj
          • Pat replies to DD
            25 Feb 2009
            The main question is who is doing the calling, if you initiate the call then you have the option of the information you want to give, however if you receive the call then DO NOT give out any personal information that you do not feel comfortable giving.  It is just common sense.
          • Xray replies to DD
            8 Mar 2009
            well if its a number in your local directory that YOU chose-then it should be OK-  -"You should know thats not something I feel like i can do on the phone"- If they ask you  and THEY call-if it really is them
          • Duh replies to DD
            4 Apr 2009
            The difference here is that YOU called them, and the presumption is that you know who you are calling. However, if you return a call to a number from your caller ID that was missed and you give them that information, then you may as well rent space on a freeway billboard that says, "Hey, I'm an idiot. Call me and I'll give you any information you want"!
          • Mona replies to DD
            7 May 2009
            One was call from this # 614-537-1768asking for SS
          • Obvious man replies to DD
            10 May 2009
            Before they call you, they would get all your info and tell it to you to confirm it.  Otherwise why would it be the CRA/IRA
            • oceanlady replies to Obvious man
              30 Oct 2009
              OK, People, you're getting off the subject and reaming each other left and right! I understand where you are coming from; people are so used to the Internet and email jargon that they keep using it in every day communication.

              But, while we're at it, annoys me is when people use acronyms that they assume EVERYONE knows! What is CRA/IRA???
              • Frustrated replies to oceanlady
                28 Nov 2009
                CRA - Canada Revenue Agency
                IRA -  The United States Revenue Agency
                • daisy replies to Frustrated
                  22 Dec 2009
                  IRA - INDIVIDUAL Retirement Acct (that's what I thought this was)
                  CRA -  The Canada Revenue Agency
                  IRS - Internal Revenue Service
          • bree replies to DD
            27 Jul 2009
            yeah if u are calling them...if ur calling them, u know who ur talking to already but if they call u and ask for ur social...beware
            • Vine replies to bree
              3 Feb 2010
              Start asking them questions, like Who (is the caller/company/person they are looking for; What (is the number they are trying to call/the number they can be called back at/a supervisor's number and name/and business hours they can be called back at; How (did they get the information/can they be reached, as in physical address). Start asking questions, but don't answer any of theirs to you. Don't let them sidestep the answers, ever. You will find, if you do this, whether the company is legit. And: Don't give out any information until you have double checked all information given to you! Check "three ways from Sunday", as they say. They worked hard to get the information on you; you work just as hard to get theirs. They won't want you to call them back; their main focus is to get you to act without thinking, or checking. "Knee-jerk reaction" is what they want. If you stop to think, you aren't a person they want to deal with, if they are scammers.
              • 57starchief replies to Vine
                4 Mar 2010
                Getting back to the subject, you have submitted some excellent ideas.  These calls come when I am inventing, concentrating on something that matters (to me) and they are a worthless distraction.  The only way you can have fun with the caller is to pull some energy from them before they hang up.  Otherwise they are an utter a waste of time !!!

                The discussion above about grammar (should I spell it grammer for a response?) is cathartic.  It is also nice get back on subject.
          • KP replies to DD
            7 Oct 2009
            If it was the IRS,they would send a letter first.
          • philfan09 replies to DD
            27 Oct 2009
            RE: Anyone asking you to verify your SS #...ONLY if you call them, e.g. bank, tax office, and KNOW you are talking to legitimate rep, you can verify last 4 digits...they already have the info...have done this with my bank when I had a problem...just MAKE SURE you are calling them and have verified the phone number.
          • Jan replies to DD
            8 Nov 2009
            The key works here are "if you are calling"  If you call you should know who it is.  If they call you and ask for info its a whole different story.  Why would you give something as important and private as your SS number out to a stranger that calls you and asks.  How about your bank info.  Would you give it out if I called you and asked for it.
          • Mrs. Bergelston replies to DD
            10 Feb 2010
            Well, Mr/Mrs/Ms/Miss/Master DD, if You are calling Them, then You know whom you are calling, don't you. In that case, if it is appropriate, it is savfe to give them the information that They have requested. (Emily Post, page 276).

            It has been my pleasure to elucidate this response (Post, page 25)
          • BXJEWEL replies to DD
            9 Mar 2010
            The answer is in your question....YOU called the tax department! But if you receive a call from someone claiming to be the tax dept...then you NEVER give out info., Instead you call them, obviously never call a number "they" give you, get their # from the phone book or call 411 for directory information.
            • willy7489 replies to BXJEWEL
              10 Mar 2010
              A word of caution: actually, 411 can give you the wrong information. They are usually located in an area not near where you want information for. They receive so many requests per day that in their haste, the operators quickly look through the first few words of a listing, rather than the complete name. This practice, of course, gives incorrect numbers. I worked at a park for 14 years which was named after the county's courthouse, and easily 20 percent of daily call volume was wrong numbers, seeking the county courthouse. Our solution was, of course, to kindly give out the correct number, since we did not have the capability to transfer the call.
        • Ticktock replies to Not Buyin' It
          24 Mar 2009
          Actually when I worked as a Sales Rep for Dish Network (Echostar) I had to ask for a SSN and a Credit Card Number for a credit check to even set up service for a potential customer.
          • Duh replies to Ticktock
            4 Apr 2009
            Here again, this is a situation where a customer (or potential customer) has called a company to subscribe to services that require credit verification. As the individual setting up the account for a new customer for Dish Network, or any other service provider, you would expect to receive that type of information and the customer should expect to give it to you and understand why it is being requested. On the other hand, if Dish Network, or any other service provider, called me and requested that information, whether I am a subscriber or not, they won't get it! If I am a subscriber I will call them back at a number I know to be legitimate and start asking questions.
          • LadyCanada replies to Ticktock
            15 Apr 2009
            Your comment reminded me of when I signed up for phone and cable, the rep at Rogers insisted that they could not set up an account without me providing them with my drivers licence number, SIN, or credit card number. I refused. I told them that I want service but I will NOT provide them with that, and if not I will sign up for services with another company. A few days later, they called me and said they will "make an exception" for me and set up the service.

            So just a tip, don't disclose your SIN, credit card, or other personal information to ANYONE when signing up for phone or cable services. Chances are they likely can proceed without it.
            • Chris replies to LadyCanada
              10 Jul 2009
              I received a letter from GEXXA Electric out of Houston Tx.

              Seems an employee commited internal theft of customers personal information to support something in their life. (Crack probably)

              "Houston PD told them not to send out a letter so that customers could protect themselves until the investigation was completed."  Thats bogus Federal Law requires the immediate notification of the loss.  And GEXXA did not provide any kind of Watch program incase the information was used.  Good thing I have this service in place before the theft.  what ever happend to good faith efforts? (IDWatch chiwawa, Life Block) I would have used them and let them expire anyway, KROLL is the security provider used by NASA, and my choice.

              I reported this to my ID Theft Protection group "Kroll Background Check International" (these are the guys who the Kuwati Governement called in to find Sadam's aasets (very effectivly), and the government uses to check the back grounds of our Armed Forces, anyone with a Security ID with the Government goes through KROLL, Also NASA uses them to secure the Launch and Landing vectors of the space shuttles.)  They have 30+ years of proven business results.

              KROLL put Fraud monitors out the rep told me this(Monitors in place really does not do anything all a sales person has to do is override these. The FTC reports that 70% of Fraud monitors were ignored anyway), They did a complete search for changes in my idenity, Criminal Records, SSN, DL, Medical Information, and Credit information "26% of Fraud".  ID WATCHDOG does not do these checks I called and asked teh reps at the various other Fraud Companies and Researched the FINE print.  KROLL after finding some things that were not right they did a 100% Restoration to pre theft status not a repair.  The intake will remain open until I CLOSE IT.  All I had to do was sign a limited power of Attorney with Kroll so that THEIR Attorneys can perform all the "Restoration" for ME as me.

              Lifelock, IDwatch dog and others out there are almost 5 years old, how proven is that?  We (The US) trust Kroll's 30+ years to provde services to the Government, to Business, and for the people that know how to contact them to our Personal Life, why trust a baby company with almost 5 years in the business?  Kroll employs persons who have worked at the FBI, CIA, FTC, Home Land Security, US Marshalls, and IRS, to do the searches. Not Private Investigators. KROLL has a Patent unlike the others that are Patent Pending..... Pending what? I guess they have to figure out how to fight and restore fraud with out infringment... nearly 5 years of business can not even come close to 30+ years.  

              I pay 9.95 for the Active WATCH and 30.00 for the Legal Services on an unlimited number of issues at 5 years membership I have 335 pre trial hours, 15 hours of IRS audit time with an Attorney who worked at the IRS for 15 years, and access to the Firms 24/7/365 emergency on call Attorney incase the CPS or PD want to come at 3am to arrest me or take my son away, or I witness an accident and need to give a statement and want to know what to do.  chro4(at)hotpop(dot)com my spam account but if you want to ask me about this send me an email I will contact you with information.
              • anony mouse replies to Chris
                13 Jul 2009
                I find this statement odd.
                "I reported this to my ID Theft Protection group "Kroll Background Check International" (these are the guys who the Kuwati Governement called in to find Sadam's aasets (very effectivly), and the government uses to check the back grounds of our Armed Forces, anyone with a Security ID with the Government goes through KROLL, Also NASA uses them to secure the Launch and Landing vectors of the space shuttles.)  They have 30+ years of proven business results."

                AS to their being the people the Kuwati government used, I don't know. They may be a sub-contractor for some background checks on a low level. But most government Security checks/clearences go through OPM Office of Personnel Management or FBI etc.or the IRS PSI.
                • noteverything replies to anony mouse
                  28 Jul 2009
                  Not everything in the governement is kept within the government.  They contact a lot out now a days to private companies.  Take the USIS for instance.  They have been around since 1996 and do a lot of government contracts for background checks for security clearances.
                • Shae replies to anony mouse
                  18 Sep 2009
                  Why would you find this statement odd about Kroll Worldwide, Kroll International and Kroll Background services.  This information can be verified at any of Kroll's websites as well as the legal provider which is Pre Paid Legal Services out of Ada Oklahoma.  I have used them for many years and the service is exactly as claimed and no one else can offer anything close.  And by the way there are more than 5 different types of identity theft so Lifelock is basically useless if your medical data is compromised.

                  Oh and did I mention that I am a nationally certified identity theft risk managment specialist by profession.

                  Do your homework before you discuont what other have posted.
              • Karen replies to Chris
                1 Sep 2009
                Hey, think this guy works for KROLL?

                Or is he just a weird variant of TROLL?
                • lucky replies to Karen
                  29 Dec 2009
                  The latter is head of Homeland Security.
              • tom c replies to Chris
                20 Jan 2010
                Sounds like a set up to run a scam.
                Email me for more info at a email address @ hotpop.com. Sounds fishy
                Some company that will fix all your problems with internet scams. how convenient.
          • Odd.. replies to Ticktock
            24 Apr 2009
            Strangely enough at the law firm I currently work at, when calling defendants we require they verify the last four of the social.  Obviously we are 100% legit.

            (I apologize for the double replies - oddly this seems to happen frequently here.)
            • tina replies to Odd..
              5 Jul 2009
              Well, too......there's a BIG difference in verifying the LAST 4 of your social, and not the whole friggin number.  Big diff.  I don't mind verifying my last 4, especially if I am the ONE doing the calling to them.  If someone calls me????  No way, they aint gettin nothin!!!  I've had so many scammers call me and try to get info from me, saying they could get me lower APRs on my CCs, and all kinds of crap.  I laugh at them and ask them do they think I was born last Tuesday?  I like to give them a little scare and tell them I have their number traced and the call recorded (which is true) and I want the name of the company he's calling from, his name, etc. etc.  Man - that dude can't hang up fast enough!!!!!!!
              • hello replies to tina
                1 Sep 2009
                It is illegal to record someone on the phone without notifying them that you are doing so, and within a certain time. Not a criticism here, just don't want you to get into trouble!
                • nancye replies to hello
                  12 Oct 2009
                  That is a statwide regulation.  Here in NYS if one person knows about the rcording it's okay.
                • Taping a call is legal in TX replies to hello
                  24 Oct 2009
                  In TX you can tape your own phone calls.  Totally legal to tape both sides of the conversation, with or without informing the other person.
                • Russell replies to hello
                  4 Nov 2009
                  I refused one the right to record, thru him so off (deer in headlight look came over the phone) got rid of him fast!

                  Have considered starting any call with "I am recording this for my information" and if they decline tell them I cannot speak with them at this time and hang up!
                • Alert to Everything replies to hello
                  22 Dec 2009
                  First off, I am in Texas.  But secondly, I had not gone into a lot of detail to explain that I'd been receiving lots of calls from this particular number.  So this one day, I decided to play back with them.  I knew they were trying to scam me for personal info.  You wouldn't believe the Q's they were asking.....  it was all about lowering my rates on my CCs.  I turned the table on these punks.  They thought they were being so clever with their little "line-up story and reading off of whatever paper was in front of them" and I would ask this guy "what is YOUR name?  what company are you working for?  Can I have your boss's name?  Why did your company name not show up on my caller ID (landline)? and etc. etc.  My questions began to freak this guy out because he knew he was a liar and finally someone was onto their game.  He really screwed up when I asked the second time "now what did you say your boss's name is?" and he couldn't remember what he originally told me, and said a different name!  I told him "punk I am so onto you, and I'm reporting you to the &*^%$# whoever, and STOP CALLING ME and you're gonna get busted ripping people off!  I swear to G, this dude was freaked out, and hung up, and they never bothered me again!
          • Harvey replies to Ticktock
            20 Oct 2009
            People do not need SSN with a credit card number to order cable services.
        • Chucky replies to Not Buyin' It
          11 Apr 2009
          I try not to give my social security to anybody except for IRS and Social Security purposes.  I do not know if you guys remember the social secuirty cards they use to send us in the 60 and up to the 70s.  The card itself says "For IRS and Social Security purposes only, not for Identification"

          Howver as time as passed every one has forgotten about this and all kinds of institutons starting with banks and hospitals to insurance companies even Universities stated to use SS number as ID numbers etc. Evry institution began asking for social security number.  It used to be part of the Privacy Act that said you did not have to give your social security to anyone except IRS and Social Security, the employers began puting it in every piece of paper they had in your empolyee file and began to be free for all. Back in 1982, I was helping a disable client to take a computer course. The teacher who used to have been the Vice President incharge of computers for Citi Bank in Los Angeles. He burned out and began teaching computers at Cochise College in Arizona.  He warn me about SS number and the computer networks that was beging to be develope. The internet did not existed quite yet, but he did have a vision of what it was to come.  He said avoid giving your social security. Not only could it be used for scams, but frequently the information in computers will have large margen of errors, by someone who wrote a note about you etc. So there is a lot of error information in computers about most peop. Somjele.What happens is that when someone see it in a computer or paper. Even you and me, think or assume that this information is accurate and may take actions in your life based on that information. Sometimes even some of that information might be put in bad faith by someone that you might have had an argument over the telefone or some social worker who thought your behavior was socio pathic and might even diagnose you etc.

          I do not know if most people have a likeing for the American Civil Liberties Union, but for years now, they have been batteling with the government to give us back our social security number and stop using it. The social security number was never ment to be a National Identification number, like they do in Spain and other european countries.

          Now with the stealing of Identities,institutions and the government have become a LITTLE  more "ethical". But I remember not too long ago when I quetion anyone why they would need my social security number,they were arrogant enough to ask me if I had something to hide? and they thought they had somekind of privilage to have it.  Even when I sign realease of information,I ask why they need it for? by right I can refuse to sign it and tell them that if they need to get some information then I will sign ORIGINALS for each of the people I APPROVE that they should have the information. Do not let them intimidate you and tell you that if you do not give them the release of informaion they can not help you.
          That is a big RED FLAG.  You are not refusing, you are only giving them the one that they need not the ones that they think they have privilage to get. Again, do gooder social workers, counselors and even the medical profession think that they have the right to all kind of privilage information. If you sign a Release of Information, they can make copies and send it to anyone they want, after all you have given them approval. It may not happen, but they might even think that they have the privilage to give your information out to other people whether it is in your best interest or not. Me paranoid, well it has happened to me. Social Service organizations run by extremely incompetent,but friendly people are the bigest violators of your privacy. I know, I work for social services organizations and you should work for one before you start to realized the amount of violations that goes behind close doors and how much cover up they try to do after they make big bubus.  They reright notes and do all kinds of unethical practices that they are not suppose to do. All in the name of covering their a**es. Once in a long while, after many have gotten away with it, someone gets cought and they try to make a sample of the poor fellow, but what is great is that the people who are prosecuting this poor fellow who got cought have violated the same privilages that they are procecuting this fellow about.  Seen it many times in the 40 years experience I have seen.

          Our privacy goes beyond our social security number. The release of information you just singed and did not place any limits on it,can be use against you even though it is suppose to protect you.  The worse infration come from the social service organizations. I usely give them a month for them to get the information they need and I limit the time they have to get the information. I also add to the signature that carbon or xrox copies of my signature are not to be used only originals.  Talk to your attornies, if you have a good attornie and thinks about your own best interst.

          Good luck to you all.
          • Yep, thasRight! replies to Chucky
            5 Jul 2009
            Yes I remember the note on SS cards that said not for id purposes.  It might even still say it on the back; I'm not sure, haven't looked.  But I've brought that very fact up to companies and banks and all kinds of businesses thinking they want my ss#.

            I tell them it is NOT to be used for id purposes - it is a very private number issued to me and only me for my personal tax and credit purposes!  There simply is no other person on this earth who should be wanting that number.  It's the ticket to your life getting screwed up severely if other people and frauds get hold of it.  If they want a number for ID purposes, what the hell is wrong with asking for my DL#?  I mean hell, we all have one of those too and it doesn't affect my tax or credit life!  They can just use that!  What's all this with the world wanting our SS# these days.  I'm tellin you the world has gone to SH****!!!!!!  There's simply no reason for them to not get your DL# for id purposes - in fact that's what is is FOR!!!!!  Not your SS# !!!!
            The whole world's gone crazy.  How dare someone ask me for my very private number intended for me and me alone for my purposes of employment and/or credit.  To hell with anyone else who thinks they need it.  That's why we have such an identity theft problem on our hands these days!!!!!!!!!!!!!  People, start being hard core.  REFUSE to give our your personal SS# to anyone except who you damn well know should have it!  GET HARD CORE and defend yourself!!!!!
            • Thinkfirst replies to Yep, thasRight!
              25 Aug 2009
              Banks require social security as part of the "know your Customer" rule (Bank Secrecy Act/Anti-money laundering). Such information is very important part of identifying an individual and accounts can not be opened without it. However, I agree that social securtiy numbers have been over-used as ID numbers and such with other organizations, just another reason it is important for everyone to think first before giving your personal information out. If a legitamite company (you already do business with) does ask for information such as social security number or date of birth; you will be able to ask for a call-back number, name and title to verify first with the company (website or customer service) and call the individual back. It is important to always have your guard up however, there are fraud scams that arise everyday and there are people that may act un-ethically (such as not returning original documents). As far as providing original documents; many organizations require to "see" original documents but few to none should request to retain them. There should be an option to have a notarized letter certifying that a represenative from _____ organization has viewed the original. Identity theft and fraudlent documents are easier to produce with computers, technology and the internet. Being cautious and thinking first should prevent 99% of identity theft attempts.
        • lah replies to Not Buyin' It
          30 May 2009
          Everytime I call to check my account with Capital One Auto Finance...they will only accept your SS number and not the acct number. I find that very odd. I only had to deal with them twice, but it happened both times...and then the rep. couldn't speak English...She was located in India.
        • P.T Barnum replies to Not Buyin' It
          9 Jun 2009
          ANY legitimate company or government agency will and can ask for social security number. What makes you think the the consumer is protected.   Business can and well do whatever it wants.  because they are the sacred cow. Unemployment agency asks over the phone, hospitals, car insurance, oh sure you can protest and FTC will placate little consumer and tell them how to react after the fact, and refuse to do business, then go waste valuable time trying to find businesses that do not ask. For example.   Our social security number is acceptable personal data, de facto even.  Further more they can and do ask for the soc number over the phone and Mr and Mrs consumer have been asleep for so long I find it comical Americans are just now realizing how stupid and sedate they are.  The fact that you are a gov worker means nothing. How to work in so much bureaucratic idiocy Americans are lazy and ignorant and react after it's to late, they are ill informed and still think. They should rid the world of evil, and act as saviors.   St8upid fools save your selves!  But Your rarely proactive. Plus most American were so dazzled by the internet and so stupid and lazy they went ahead and put their card numbers and soc numbers on line for years, because "a little man on tv told them to, and look how eeeeeasy it is."   Idiots!. Never batting an eye and now people are reacting with this simpleton naive mantra,  "No info over the phone!". Like that matters now.  it's way to late for that, and to little of a reaction.  
          Read it http://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs10-ssn.htm
          • Anonymous replies to P.T Barnum
            25 Jun 2009
            To 'P. T Barnum':  There is no country or people who hold the title for 'Most Stupid', 'Most Lazy', or whatever it is that you are trying to say.  If you believe in that type of labeling, then the simpleton is you.  Perhaps your time would be better spent investing in doing something constructive or positive, instead of verbally reaming an entire nation for being idiots--how productive is that?  

            Many people viewing or posting on a site like this one are looking for a solution to a particular problem or help of some kind.  There are plenty of negative, unpleasant people who don't add much at the end of the day to our existence on this planet.  I don't believe that any of your words could be construed as being positive or helpful in any manner, mostly because they are offensive and arrogant; whatever truth might be there is diluted by the underlying message of ignorance.
            • Yep, thasRight! replies to Anonymous
              5 Jul 2009
              right on, right on, right on.  People stop being ignorant and adding to the problem.  Add to the solution!!!!!!  Give some helpful positive advice.  And stop giving out your personal ss# to people who have no business having it.  There's too many rogue employees these days who steal files and go on the rampage!  Rogue people are everywhere.  But we've got to protect ourselves from them by being Pro-active and very ALERT!
        • Easy E replies to Not Buyin' It
          22 Aug 2009
          really? not even equifax??????? UHOH i went to Clark Howards website to get the # to equifax and i called & they asked 4 it...then they tried to sell me something....hmmm
        • Cody Langston replies to Not Buyin' It
          25 Aug 2009
          That is incorrect.  I run an honest business selling Satellite and Internet service.  I have to get an ssn and credit card number from every customer.  I never give my information to anybody who calls me to sell me something, but DirecTV, Dish Network, Verizon, Sprint, At & t, Hertz and a hundred other legitimate companies require personal information.  If you are trying to help people, tell them not to give information out on incoming sales calls.
          • Harvey replies to Cody Langston
            20 Oct 2009
            Cody, why do you need SSN#. If you have a real credit card number to be sure you're company will be paid each month, for ID purpose you only need their DL number.
          • Michael replies to Cody Langston
            20 Nov 2009
            1) How do I know you're business is honest. Maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. I know that dishonest businesses also claim to be honest.

            2) Even if you ARE honest, how do I know all of your employees are?

            3) Even if your employees are honest, how do I know that your computers are secure enough and that they won't be hacked? In fact, no one can really know how secure their systems are, because you can never anticipate all possible threats.

            4) What are you using that SSN for?
              a) as a way to go to commercial databases to get information on your customers that your customers did not volunteer? Is that honest?
             b) as a key for your database? (the most common use) Your database software can generate its own key. If the customer forgets his number, you can look it up based on other information. There are many ways to uniquely identify a person.

            3) I recently went to Sears and spent an hour picking out clothes. They offered me $15 off if I got a Sears credit card. I applied, and then they asked me to enter my SSN. I walked out of the store without buying the clothes. I went down the street, and in 1/2 hour found better clothes for less.

            If enough people vote with their feet, businesses will discover they don't need an SSN.
        • fdcpa violator!!!!!!! replies to Not Buyin' It
          4 Sep 2009
          i worked for NCO financial for 6yrs...we gave info such as ssn#,account #'s and many other sorts of personall info...if the company is legitt, they have no reason to use your personall info for any other reason besides the reason it was provided in the first place!...besides they already have your info, its to protect debters from impersonation!
        • sammy replies to Not Buyin' It
          17 Sep 2009
          A Pension Benefit Company asks for your SS# over the phone to commence retirement benefits
        • nobodyz replies to Not Buyin' It
          21 Oct 2009
          Social Security asks for your SS#. So how is that "never"?
        • Andy replies to Not Buyin' It
          28 Nov 2009
          I have been asked for my last 4 digits to verify I an who I am, is that wrong?
          • Mikey replies to Andy
            4 Jan 2010
            The scammers only ask for the last four digits of your SS# Because there are only four digits in your number!!
          • Deekoo replies to Andy
            29 Jan 2010
            Several banks will allow you to use the account number and last four digits of the SSN to authenticate phone transactions.  Don't give the last four digits of your SSN to anyone you wouldn't personally trust with your bank account.
          • Tim replies to Andy
            30 Jan 2010
            If the scammer knows your date and state of birth then the odds are fairly high that your full number can be guessed.  This is because the Social Security Administration's methods for assigning numbers, based in part on geography, are well-known.  Researchers at Carnegie Mellon published a research article stating that they could identify the first five digits of a SSN on the first attempt for 44% of people born after 1988.  
            http://esciencenews.com/articles/2009/07/06/c ... lic.information
        • craven80 replies to Not Buyin' It
          2 Feb 2010
          wish it was that easy mr gov employee.  im a gov employee to and there is not a single friggin thing that we do that they dont require us to give it to them and then as if thats not enough info you must always very fye with your damn home address and dob even if all you want is to make an appointment for medical so ya yous sure are some smart gomament people. not you but i mean like wtf can some one explain this or what
      • dream replies to uri d.
        1 Apr 2009
        There is a simple way to stop telemarketing once and forever at least for cell phone holders!

        Just make the incoming calls free which means a calling party have to pay for the call!!!
        And this is actually used in many countries.
        And I am just dreaming everyday that one day (I hope sooner) Canada will be one of these countries.
        • larry e replies to dream
          15 Oct 2009
          Here's how to beat these people..where it hurts..in the wallet

          Call their phone # from a pay phone and just listen to each option, or just leave the pay phone hanging. It's quite expensive for them to receive calls from a payphone (at least 30 cents per call); let alone the time spent on the line.

          If you really want to drive them nuts, call from a pay phone and dial *67 before the number (this will block your number from appearing on caller id-but the number will still show up when they get the bill)!!

          Let's scam the scammers!!!!
      • Belfry replies to uri d.
        12 Oct 2009
        This happened to my friend.

        Her brother is in the Army, stationed in Kansas.  Two days ago, she got a call from his General's Staff, saying that he had been wounded in Iraq (This has been her biggest worry since he enlisted).  They told her that the Army could not send him home until they got $20 to process the papers.  They gave her an address and she mailed them a money order with her last bit of money.

        As soon as she told me this, I called him on my cell phone. He answered, and I gave the phone to her.  She realized she had been conned.
      • nobodyz replies to uri d.
        21 Oct 2009
        I can think of something to add: Sometimes the number they give which doesn't come up on caller ID doesn't work UNLESS you have an unblocked number. The one that called me said they were from "Microsoft PC Safety" and wanted remote access to my computer, which I, of course, denied them. They won't stop calling me. In a day and a half it will be a week now that they have called every day.
        • holdon91 replies to nobodyz
          27 Oct 2009
          want to make them crazy?  tell them you're very interested in their service, product, whatever, start talking, then, just when they're ready to get your info tell them someone is at your door... have another call coming in, please hold.....have to check something on the stove....(well, you get the idea)...just leave them hanging till they decide to hang up.  Do this everytime and they'll get the message soon enough.
          A loud whistle is another good deterrant!
          After all. they're invading your privacy by calling you!
      • jimmy replies to uri d.
        12 Jan 2010
        I can..
        You name it. If you are being called for marketing purposes it's not good. even though some of the people calling are good genuinely good people, the operation costs someone.
      • Census replies to uri d.
        24 Jan 2010
        Recently completed the census "long form" that includes demographic information. Sent it in.

        Received this evening a call from someone saying they are from the Census and they are calling to verify information on the form.

        I told the heavily accented mexican woman calling that I will not discuss personal information over the phone, that if they want to verify information they can do so by coming by my address and speaking to me directly.

        She insisted I speak with her. I declined. She then said she can provide me a telephone number to call to verify she is with the census.

        I said, no thanks, you could have easily set-up an "toll-free" number and again, I do not discuss personal information on the phone. I refused the number, as well, because I did not want to hunt for a pen and paper. It is Sunday evening, for goodness sake.

        She said she was going to enter into my file that I am not cooperative and hung up.

        These people, who the heck are they? Besides, it was clear from her accent that English was a second language to her.

        (As a side-note, last year I was a victim of attempted identity theft and am very protective about my personal information.)
      • sally replies to uri d.
        25 Feb 2010
        watch out for a mattress  scam  you  buy a mattress   and there is some thing wrong with it . than they bring you a new mattress  . and month later they charge you card . because they did not pick up the old mattress and  your get charged for  2 mattress  it only happens  in us
      • tesr replies to uri d.
        5 Mar 2010
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