866-350-8210

Numerous calls.  Unknown caller.  No one there.  Won't stop.

This is IC Systems - also associated with Target

IC Systems- collection agency and very very rude to you on the phone.

I just got a new (recycled) cell #, and I've been getting calls for this and a lot of other collection agencies. I've stopped trying to explain to them that it's not who they're looking for. They just keep calling, anyway. I registered the number with donotcall.gov, and after 31 days, I'm just going to report them to the FCC.

Got home late Sunday night (tonight, Oct. 14, 2007) and found a message from them on my answering machine.  They are in fact "I.C. System", and they are a "legitimate" collections agency. (I use the word "legitimate" very loosely.
I am relieved to know that at least some, if not all, of you are getting these phone calls at the same time knowing full well that you don't owe any outstanding bills.  However, I guess I will try to call them back during business hours to see why they have targeted me.
Here is their website: http://www.icsystem.com/
I am confused when LBTB says that there is no one there when he answers.  That has me very confused.  If they are in fact I.C. System, they won't be allowed to stay in business for long if they are harassing people for absolutely no reason.

Are any of you willing to tell us whether or not they are in fact trying to collect some kind of debt from you?  I think that that would help us understand what action should be taken with the Federal Govt. agencies that  attempt to control this sort of thing.

And for those of you who said that you were going to report them, did you report them, and what were the results?

Thanks

Here are the emails of most in the company.  Cut-and-paste into the address of your email and let employees know what kind of company they are working for.

Barb Erickson <berickson@icsystem.com>, Brenda Weber <bweber@icsystem.com>, Chris Deitch <cdeitch@icsystem.com>, Charles Halfen <chalfen@icsystem.com>, Chris Holland <cholland@icsystem.com>, Charles Krasnicki <ckrasnicki@icsystem.com>, Carol Labs <clabs@icsystem.com>, Debbie Barnes <dbarnes@icsystem.com>, Dan Brinkhaus <dbrinkhaus@icsystem.com>, Dan Devere <ddevere@icsystem.com>, Dal Ferris <dferris@icsystem.com>, Dian Lenzmeier <dlenzmeier@icsystem.com>, Elizabeth Melton <emelton@icsystem.com>, Heather Merritt <hmerritt@icsystem.com>, Mary Guthrie <hr@icsystem.com>, Howard Robins <hrobbins@icsystem.com>, James Cox <jcox@icsystem.com>, John Erickson <jerickson@icsystem.com>, John Neithercott <jneithercott@icsystem.com>, Jim Rosevear <jrosevear@icsystem.com>, John Sharpe <jsharpe@icsystem.com>, Kathy Aman <kaman@icsystem.com>, Kenn Christensen <kchristensen@icsystem.com>, Kristina Gursky <kgursky@icsystem.com>, Kurt Heinbigner <kheinbigner@icsystem.com>, Kerry Henderson <khenderson@icsystem.com>, Ken Rapp <krapp@icsystem.com>, Karl Tobien <ktobien@icsystem.com>, Lee Brockney <lbrockney@icsystem.com>, Lloyd Ledet <lledet@icsystem.com>, Mike Dunn <mdunn@icsystem.com>, Mike Lang <mlang@icsystem.com>, Maurine Merten <mmerten@icsystem.com>, Molly Johnson <mollyjohnson@icsystem.com>, Nick Skoy <nskoy@icsystem.com>, Peter Buggeln <pbuggeln@icsystem.com>, Parker Wilson <pwilson@icsystem.com>, Susan Ott <sott@icsystem.com>, Susan Rupli <srupli@icsystem.com>, Scottie Transom <stansom@icsystem.com>, Tristan Burgess <tburgess@icsystem.com>, Tom Gavinski <tgavinski@icsystem.com>, Tiffany Guerrero <tguerrero@icsystem.com>, Terri Lewis <tlewis@icsystem.com>, Wayne Norris <wnorris@icsystem.com>, Scott Bultje <sbultge@icsystem.com>, Don Turner <dturner@icsystem.com>, Carol Stotts <cstotts@icsystem.com>, Chad Lindsay <clindsay@icsystem.com>, Mark Christiansen <mchristiansen@icsystem.com>, Pat Griffin <pbriffin@icsystem.com>, Stephanie Kohnke <skohnke@icsystem.com>, Christine Beltmann <cbeltmann@icsystem.com>, Charles Halsen <chalsen@icsystem.com>, Debbie Burdick <dburdick@icsystem.com>, Shawn Yates <syates@icsystem.com>, Bill DeBacker <bdebacker@icsystem.com>, Laura Carroll <lcarroll@icsystem.com>, Tina Brown <tbrown@icsystem.com>, Tami Gold <tgold@icsystem.com>, Kara Horstman <khorstman@icsystem.com>, Holly Lindsay <hlindsay@icsystem.com

They call me but thats because i owe the 300.00... Is it safe to pay them?? They dont sound like they are on the up & up, even though thats the number target gave me. Im just a little worried i'm going to make the payment and then get call again saying i never paid.....

Hi Heather.  I also owe Target.  This is the one that they gave me, too.  I checked out their website icsystem.com and it is a real company.  

I feel your pain, Girl.  Hope it gets better for you.  :)

Kris

Called from 651-204-1366 leaving a automated voice mail to call them at 866-350-8210.

IC Systems has yet to harass me though.  I use Google Voice which will allow a call to pass through to my phone or go straight to voice mail without bothering me.  I would recommend those of you here to get your own Google voice number, change your contact number and only give out your Google Voice number!

Caller ID shows up as "Unknown" with a message that this is IC System, to call them at 1-866-350-8210 and they are *expecting* a call back today.

Not gonna happen!

Plain and simple - if you owe a debt - pay it! Then collectors would have nothing to call you about.

Remember that Collectors are people too - its not like they take the job because as children they aim to be one some angry debt collector. Also keep in mind that the job is hard, they spend the majority of their day speaking to people who are mean/rude/vulgar from the minute they pick up the phone. People who are upset at their situation - no money, not able to afford to get by - tend to take it out, even on the nicest of collectors - only because they do not wish to be reminded of present circumstances.

Collectors are just doing their job - albiet some do it unproffesionally, but the point remains the same - if you paid the debt to begin with, it wouldnt make it to a collection agency/attorneys office.

In terms of fake agencies - Google the company name, check out their website, call the BBB (Better Business Bureau) in their state - If they were fake - why would someone waste their time working for them?? I know I wouldn't go to work if I knew the company I worked for was just out to scam someone!

In terms of letters - an agency only needs to notify of the debt being placed with them. When you recieve that letter you have 30 days to dispute the validity of the debt. The letter will tell you the steps you need to take to do so. It will also advise you that if you do not dispute it in that 30 days, than the balance is owed.

Payments over the phone - are you all aware that if you give a company permission to take money from your account on a certain day - and they remove it on a different date - you can sue the agency! Most agencies will tell you they only accept payment over the phone as a means to help you - with that payment set on the account, the client; i.e. The store, the bank, the company you owe, can see that you have intention to take care of it before they move the account further. (Another agency or an Attorneys office) If you do not have an active account or are still not comfortable with it - MoneyGram or Western Union is usually an option - and you can call the collector back with the tracking number as proof you sent it.

Also keep in mind that agencies/offices do keep very good notes. What you say is documented on your account, so if you have been repeatedly rude to collectors at the same company - of course they will have the "harshest" collector there call you next. That is their job - to assist you in finding a way to pay the debt that you owe. It is NOT their fault that you bounced the check, ran up a credit card bill so high that you cant afford to pay it, or terminated phone service and owe an early termination fee. It IS their JOB to collect the money.

Their notes also document things like payments - when to run it & for how much. If there are multiple payments, all are documented in the notes from that conversation. If you set a payment plan with many payments, you will generally recieve a notice in the mail 7-10 days before the payments process's to remind you.

Also keep in mind that just because you havent heard from anyone about a debt in a significant amount of time, does NOT mean it went away. It generally means that the account was moved to another agency/office. Eventually, they WILL find you again. Collectors will utilize what services they need to, to locate a debtor.

All and all - if you dont want to deal with collectors - than pay your bills/fees/accounts/overdrafts and so on - then we would all put collectors out of work! :)

Re. "In terms of fake agencies ... why would someone waste their time working for them," ask yourself why would anyone rob convenience stores yet robberies do happen, right? Perpetrators might range from laid-off workers to hardened criminals. Ditto for fake agencies; it's not exactly about a career choice.
I agree with your post in general except it's directed at legitimate collection agencies that obey FDCPA rules. 800notes is rife with abusive legitimate and scam collection calls - just how is a debtor going to separate one from the other?
On wiring money via Western Union or Moneygram, I won't do it for this is a favorite payment method of scammers because once the money's sent, it's irretrievable.
What irks me is legitimate collectors do nothing to ensure they're calling the debtor. I've been robocalled several times and when I returned the call after they had the revelation to leave their phone number on my answering machine, they were looking for the guy who had my number before I got it for a home I'd bought some months earlier. A robosearch on the net would have told them that guy didn't have the number anymore but they robocalled me several times anyway. Most contact data associated with older debt (like those purchased for pennies on the dollar) are inaccurate because debtors quickly change numbers to avoid collection calls but debt collectors hassle the innocent new owners of debtor-numbers all the time, some even refusing to let go as a form of blackmail to force the victim to pay something towards the bill.
I think you're a nice person but unschooled in the ways of the real world.

IC System called me.  I talked with them and actually owe a debt for eBay.  Very professional actually.  Paid my $86 and hope to regain good standing with their client (eBay) again.  Was afraid to get abused, but that is not what I experienced.