360-633-9577

Any body else get a call from here? Missed the call but "Silverdale Wa" and this number was on our Caller Id box when we checked it. They didn't leave any message and haven't called back yet so it must not have been anything important. I check back later and see if anyone else gets their call too.

Caller ID showed "Out of area".  Most likely a spoofed Caller ID.  The call probably from the same scamming outfit that is trying to intimidate senior citizens into signing up for some kind of medical alert product.  They spoof the Caller ID information.  That same outfit has called many times with many different names and phone numbers showing up on the Caller ID display.  They never leave a message, they just spoof the Caller ID so the next time they call a different number will display.  You can block a number that they use to call, but next time it will be a different, spoofed number so your phone will ring again.  A complaint has been filed with the FCC about those type of phone calls frpm that type of company.  The Do Not Call list does not work with that type of company because they ignore the law.

The do not call list is a joke. I just got a call from this number and it was the scam for a free discount prescription card and they want my address, lol, it also said in the recording that they have contacted my pharmacy. idiots, this is so old.

The do not call list is not a joke, it works for what it's supposed to work for--honest telemarketers. You said yourself the call was a scam--something exempt from the list--along with debt collectors, fundraisers, surveys, and political calls. Scammers are criminals, they're certainly not going to follow the rules, and when many come from overseas, they're not likely to have any knowledge of it. Being on the list DOES NOT mean all unwanted calls will stop, but legitimate telemarketing calls will. If you're on the list, that should give you an idea calls you receive are likely junk. Realize what it does, not what it does not.

The do not call list IS A JOKE. Ever since I put my number on there I get THREE TIMES as many calls. I think they probably get their number from the list itself. Why else would the number of crap calls triple afterwards?

Oh! I see...You're one one of those people who think the DNC List is a magical fairy that lives in your phone and grabs a hold of pesky, pesky callers...

Here's the thing. It DOES work for legitimate companies.

Criminals...not so much.

Look at it this way - There is a LAW that says "Do Not Murder."

But people get murdered all the time. Why? Because criminals.

Criminals looking for gullible victims

We must be on every criminal's phone list.  How on earth do they get these numbers in the first place?  This number has called our phone numerous times.  I still do not know for what!!

Claimed to have special alert from AARP and send some medical alert

Bob, you're right.  It IS a joke.  Since I put my unlisted phone line on there, that line started to get a huge number of telemarketer calls .... and it still does to this day.

Calls daily with slightly different numbers.  I recognize the tormentors now so I reward them with a hefty whistle blow.

You don't know what you are talking about!!!  Do Not Call list only deals with REAL telemarketers!!!  They do not tell unknown callers what to do!!!  They WILL stop normal telemarketing if you wish that they do so!

Yes, the Do Not Call list IS a joke, not because of what it does, but because of what it is. It is typical of anything that our government does. The DNC was the legislature's response to Americans' complaints about *nuisance* calls. In its "infinite" wisdom, Congress did what it so often does, writes legislation that hobbles good players with more onerous - and usually costly - regulations, and does nothing about the bad players because that would be too hard to enforce.

The law specifically exempts calls from political (gee, no surprise there,} charitable groups, and from businesses with which there is a prior relationship to the called party. Everything else is telemarketing. Problem is that, beyond bills to bring the pork home to their districts, those who craft the legislation are often clueless about the subject matter for which they so willingly write laws. Most have no, or very limited, technical knowledge, and are too egotistical/stupid/lazy to seek out good information to guide them through the legislative process.

In this case, the law should have contained language that specifically prohibits spoofing the calling party's number, supported by hefty fines and jail time, since masking one's identity is typically an indication of nefarious intent. After all, isn't it the scammers that are the biggest problem? Such a rule would have even reined in debt collectors who are otherwise unaffected by this law. They would have been prevented from masking the source of the call, other than "Number Unavailable."

Spoofing is easily accomplished with PBX equipment or software. Almost any business that has more than 10 phones, and uses digital phone lines has this type of setup. Instead of the phone company attaching the Calling Party's number to the call, it is done by the Calling Party's system, which can be programmed to report any number. The legislation should have required carriers - the providers of the phone services - to prohibit any outbound calls which reported a Caller ID other than one that was legitimately "owned" by the caller. (Companies may have more numbers than phone lines, so a line might legitimately carry calls from several numbers such as Sales, Accounting, Shipping, etc., all of which would be allowed.) The legislation should have also included language that prohibited listing a deceptive name in the CNAM - Caller ID Name - database. This is the database which is used to associate a Caller ID with a Caller Name.

Further, the legislation should have outlawed using a CID that was a dead number, even if the Calling Party actually owned the number. Numerous other technical and operational aspects of telephony could have, and should have, been addressed in the law, which would have gotten us closer to where we would like to be. But don't expect good law from the people who are elected by OUR voters.

Well another person who knows so much but really knows nothing.  Telemarketing is defined as the selling of something, hence the word marketing in the word.  Surveys, political calls, informative calls sell nothing, there fore they are not teleMARKETING.
why do we need a second law to "In this case, the law should have contained language that specifically prohibits spoofing the calling party's number," this when we already have one, but you didn't know that because it was too much trouble to research it, and besides, it wouldn't have supported your lame argument:  http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/PLAW-111publ331/pdf/PLAW-111publ331.pdf
It is called the Truth In Caller ID Act of 2009.
Now in actuality, the DNC is simply a list, the real laws are the TCPA:  http://transition.fcc.gov/cgb/policy/TCPA-Rules.pdf
and the Telemarketing Sales Act:  http://www.consumer.ftc.gov/articles/0198-telemarketing-sales-rule
Next time do some research.

By the way, this is what i usually post when someone says what you did:
You are absolutely right! The DNC is a Big Joke!  I also personally believe that the law against murdering people is a big joke also.  I mean, what the heck, people still kill people right?  And come to think of it, all the other laws on the books are all big jokes also.  I mean people still break them right?  So here's what we need to do.  Let us all get a hold of our representatives, whether at city, state, or federal level and tell them that since people are violating these laws, they are a big joke, and we should abolish all laws.  Period.  No more laws on the books.  That will fix things, because then people won't be breaking the law any more, and the law will no longer be a big joke.  Wow, you are brilliant, why didn't I think of that?  I think we should give you a Nobel Prize for solving this bad situation for us.

Yes, teleMARKETING is about selling something. That is why I referred to NUISANCE calls in my post. I did fail to include "surveys" in the excluded group. However, just yesterday, I received a nuisance call  on my cell phone congratulating me for having been selected to participate in a brief *survey* for which I would receive two complimentary Bahamas cruise tickets. I decided to play along. The system was an IVR - Interactive Voice Response - system. When I asked to speak to a live person, the system bumped me to another canned message "How may I help you?" I responded, "Are you a live person?" Response: "Yes, but I am being helped by an automated assistant." I entered into the survey. The questions were ALL geared to determine what kind of marketing they could foist upon me... questions like, "Have you recently been injured in an automobile accident? Press 1 for YES. Press 2 for NO." Of course, I pressed "1" to see what would happen.

Several hours later, I received another call from the same number - a 210 Area Code - a guy calling me to offer me a Bahamas cruise. He quickly introduced himself as Douglas, and gave me his corporate ID number. I had to ask what corporation. He told me Vantage Travel (I strongly doubt that,) and that he would be my travel specialist. All I had to do to qualify for this 7 days of vacation was be over 18 years of age, *still* have a combined household income of $50,000 and be willing to attend a brief presentation. I let him ramble about the details of the trip, keeping him occupied as long as I could with questions. He ended with all you need to do to secure one of the 75 reservations we have available today is book your rental car through either Alamo, something or something - I don't recall the others. The rental is for 7 days with unlimited mileage and is only $298.

When I asked where he was located, he told me Florida. I asked why the number on my caller ID showed he was in San Antonio. He told me that I would have to take that up with my phone company, that they were the ones responsible for Caller ID.

Back to your reply to my post. I have done my research, buddy boy. I deal with technology compliance issues. I have been working with the lady in our company who is setting up the procedures and policies for our agents to make cold calls. The process to access the DoNotCall system is abysmal at best. According to her, there are only two people at DNC to handle signups.

As for your links, the first one deals with spoofing. Out of the three-and-a-half pages of text, this is what the "Truth in Caller ID Act of 2009" says:

   "It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States, in
   connection with any telecommunications service or IP-enabled
   voice service, to cause any caller identification service to
   knowingly transmit misleading or inaccurate caller identification
   information with the intent to defraud, cause harm, or wrongfully
   obtain anything of value, unless such transmission is exempted
   pursuant to paragraph (3)(B) [Exemptions for Law Enforcement,
   court orders, etc.]

Hmmm. Let's see, a telemarketer transmitting false CID and/or CNAM could easily claim that they had no "intent to cause harm, defraud, or gain anything of value." After all, as you point out, as telemarketers they are selling something. So, based on this law, they could put anything in the Caller ID and be perfectly legal. Right?

Your second link deals almost exclusively with sending unsolicited advertising to TeleFAX machines, and automated dialers delivering synthesized voice or rerecorded messages. Not sure how that is germane to the discussion except that Section (c)(3) authorizes the Commission to consider implementing a database to list phone numbers of people who don't want to receive commercial calls.

Your third link about the FTC's Telemarketing Sales Rule starts off with:

   "The Federal Trade Commission’s (FTC) Telemarketing Sales Rule (TSR)
   puts consumers in charge of the number of telemarketing calls they get at
   home."

Really?? I would lay a bet that most people who post here... in fact, most people who have telephones, would set the number of telemarketing calls they want to receive at home at ZERO. Further, I would bet that they get more than zero calls, or else they would not be visiting this site to investigate who called them. This government document is as disingenuous as a politician's promise.

Reading further:

   "Placing your number on the National Do Not Call Registry will stop
   *most telemarketing calls, but  not all.* Calls from or on behalf of
   political organizations, charities and telephone surveyors are still
   permitted."

Seems like the government considers a call from the exempted organizations to be Telemarketing. I guess they didn't read *your* rule about what Telemarketing is.

Regarding your off-topic part of the post, I will say just this: No matter how well intentioned, not all laws are well-crafted, efficacious, or even legal. It is our duty as citizens to hold government at all levels accountable for the laws they create.

https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c3355f57425c0d5 ... alls-to-the-fcc
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c5c7e69f0670886 ... -spoofing-calls
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c46b87360deec56 ... -unwanted-calls
http://www.northcountrygazette.org/2015/07/08/med-rev_shuttered/
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c89eda780098619/pay-up#p903577742355908092
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/payday-lenders-could-face-federal-rules/
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/online-payday-len ... 85m-in-charges/
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-release ... ocalls-pitching
http://money.cnn.com/2014/11/18/news/debt-collectors-arrest/
http://www.nbcnews.com/business/consumer/ftc- ... n-texts-n374341
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c4ffa8334de58ff/georgia-dc-out-of-business

Enforcement:
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c33b770fc3695c0 ... -associates-llc
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c874444fd0727bb ... e-telemarketers
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c17c24b9614a487 ... ttery-scam-case
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-c116acd736280bb ... h-telemarketing
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-bfcd4eb5e5bf6d6 ... y-ftc-and-il-ag
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-bf7e49d2ddb0453 ... e-dnc-violation
http://consumerist.com/2015/04/08/robocalling ... ding-consumers/
http://transition.fcc.gov/eb/
http://www.consumerfinance.gov/blog/category/enforcement/
http://www.ftc.gov/enforcement
http://www.ftc.gov/opa/2013/09/ambrosia.shtm
http://www.ftc.gov/os/caselist/1223190/
http://www.consumerfinance.gov/newsroom/

Consider getting a call blocking device or phone.. You can google them and many are around $40.00 or so. If its a cell phone, some already have call blocking, if not, there are free apps on the web that will work for some. You can google this. If you have a smart phone, there is a free app called call control. Iphones appear to have apps also. Another one is called Mr. Number. For tracfone & straight talk:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.privacystar.android.tracfone&hl=en

http://extras.straighttalk.com/en

http://www.youmail.com/home/carriers/straight-talk/block-number

https://www.straighttalkwirelessforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=6803&t=55006

Report your callers here, not just to the DNC alone:

https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/#&panel1-1
https://esupport.fcc.gov/ccmsforms/form1088.action
https://complaints.donotcall.gov/complaint/complaintcheck.aspx?panel=2

For text messages: forwarding any text message spam you get to the short code  “7726,” which spells “spam” on most phones, to alert your network operator to the abuse. ATT won't accept 7726 But they will accept BLOCK and return a message that the web site is blocked. forward the texts to 7726 or BLOCK, depending on your phone carrier.

By State DNC lists:
https://800notes.com/faq/state-do-not-call

FCC Abandoned Calls Complaint form:
http://www.fcc.gov/cgb/consumerfacts/1088D-R.pdf
email:  fccinfo@fcc.gov

To file complaints on Foreign company's:
eConsumer.gov: Report Your Complaint
E-mail: econsumerwb@ftc.gov

"I have been working with the lady in our company who is setting up the procedures and policies for our agents to make cold calls."

Who are you calling? Business or residential phone?

"No matter how well intentioned, not all laws are well-crafted, efficacious, or even legal. It is our duty as citizens to hold government at all levels accountable for the laws they create."

I was wondering when the libertarian crap would appear.

Here's the real problem - jerks are misusing the phone systems to enrich themselves via various scams, and YOU will not make any effort towards shutting down those jerks. Instead you blame the government, the laws, and call the government the problem. You yourself intend to exploit the use of telephone technology to extract as much money out of people your business calls. You are the problem. You are not fooling us. Your whining that the government is the problem shows that. thbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbt

First, that so called "survey" call was actually an attempt top sell you something and as such would be classified as a telemarketing call.
But the bigger issue is this "I have been working with the lady in our company who is setting up the procedures and policies for our agents to make cold calls".  So you are what?  A telemarketer?  It sounds that way.  And you are complaining about getting telemarketing calls?  How ironic is that?  Sorry, no pity found here for someone who annoys people for a living.

Talk about karma! And you know what they say about paybacks!