NoMoRobo

What you tryin' to say T? Do you think they are all sleeping in the same bed? No......say it ain't so!

Greetings,
I realize this is a reply to a two year old post:
Charlie Barrett
18 Sep 2013
"I can also see banks suing for the customers that they lost because NoMoRobo blocked the call, or the fraudulent charges that they had to eat on credit and debit cards with a "No Fraud" guarantee."

As of today, jan 01, 2016, the only lawsuits have been to sue telescammers.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/business/brink ... 50618-post.html
I do not use nomorobo, as I am still using a copper line( until Verizon abandons, umn, dumps us, umn, spins off to Frontier Comm).
I get a least 6 to 8 calls a day, most are hang ups, some are the typical scams, and about have of the numbers are repeat offenders.
So if nomorobo can cut off "Only 80 %", I'm all for it.

Yes, non-profit theatres would use telemarketers to sell season tickets, but as I haven't been doing volunteer work with any where I live, since 2000, I don't know what they are doing these days.

Cold-calling was the last thing they wanted to do. The telemarketers would first call those who did not renew through the mail, then would call those who bought tickets by calling in for specific performances, then would call those who attended other functions at the theatre and had left their business cards or filled out forms for contests for freebies at the theatre. Working a list of people known to want to be at the theatre took weeks. During the years I was there the telemarketers were given a space to work in and telephone lines; there was no outsourcing to calling centers. These telemarketers got as much as 35% of the amount paid as commission.

Last Friday, January 29 I set up Nomorobo on my phone service, and just minutes later a robocall came in, but there have been no more at all since then---makes me wonder if all of those calls had been made by the same person, even with the constantly changing city and number, because they had been coming in day after day for months and months.

What is going on with 800notes now after all this discussion on this forum about NoMoRobo?, If I even mention NoMoRobo in reference to a number I have received where it rang only one time and NoMoRobo grabbed it a Monorator of 800notes deletes my comment.. They should let everyone know about this FTC approved service!

Your post probably read as an advertisement, which isn't allowed here...

Sadly Nomorobo only supports VOIP carriers at this time but encourages everyone to contact their phone companies to put in "simul-ring" which is the technology that allows Nomorobo to work.  I'm loving it as a Vonage customer!

Sadly, the Telco’s would have us believe that VoIP is a prerequisite for getting Nomorobo services. The truth is that the Telco’s make more money selling their newer VoIP services, due in part to corporate greed and the way laws are applied to older (POTS) and newer (VOIP, Cell) technologies.

Call forwarding, a feature long offered on older POTS landlines, is quite similar to simultaneous ringing. So similar that it would not take a large investment for the Telco’s to enable simultaneous ringing and offer it on their POTS service. However, they continue to resist that change and cite the Telecommunications Act of 1996 and obsolete technology as their reasons.

The Telco’s lobby group (TIA) has a powerful voice and has fought hard for laws to favor their industry. They are continuing to ignore recent FTC and FCC positions that the Telco’s can do more for the consumer.

I think adding simultaneous ringing to older landlines would go a long way in boosting customer satisfaction. Unfortunately, customer satisfaction has taken a back seat to corporate hunger for increased Telco revenue$.

Actually, much of this is done in software anymore. The issue is if the switch manufacturer provides that software feature (which they probably do, they just don't want to reconfigure all their switches). Did you know that years people paid extra for 'dial tone' even after the switches stopped being mechanical?  They actually had to configure the switch to use 'pulse dialing' so people with old telephones could use them. I used to have an old telephone that had a switch on it to alternate between tone and pulse dialing (provides touch-tone dialing convenience, without having an actual rotary phone).

I have and use a phone that can switch between tone and pulse.

I had a pulse-dial-only phone line for decades. I had no need for tone service and so avoided having to pay for it. Back in 2003 I got myself an AIO (All-In-One) scanner-copier-fax inkjet printer. There seemed to be no way to pulse-dial with the machine to send out a fax, so I figured I would still try it out and if it did not work, I would go to my brother's house and use his line. The machine tone-dialed the number I put in, and the tones came out extremely fast ... and connected !! And my fax went to its destination, and I continued to use it for about four months. The telco equipment probably "measured" how fast the tones arrived and disabled tone service, as human-dialed tones are going to be long with long spacing between them (relative to what the autodialer in the fax machine did).

In 2014, when my DSL modem failed after a nearby lightning strike, I "upgraded" to UVerse (and higher Internet speed), I got a little "box" that gets the UVerse signal and it splits out an Internet line (internally, it has four Ethernet ports0, and an audio phone line that is tone dialing only, no pulse dial is possible. I don't know if this little box is compatible with analog modems and fax machines, receiving and sending.

Hi William,

Most landline providers stopped charging extra fur tone dialing service 20-25 years ago.  Yes, there are some exceptions, however this is rare.  Chances are you had tone service on your line for years and did not even know it.

Your UVerse "phone line" operates using VoIP.  Due to the delay on the line, modems typically will not work properly on a VoIP line.  Fax machines are a bit more forgiving, however tend to run slowly.  Most of the companies that I know of still maintain an analog "POTS" line(s) for faxing, even after upgrading to a digital (VoIP, PRI, etc.) service.

Chung

Stopped charging extra for tone dialing? Maybe, maybe not. Too lucrative a revenue stream to give up. In that time era in Austin, Texas, Southwestern Bell began requiring all new phone lines to be tone-enabled, so no one could get a pulse-dial-only phone line any longer and thus pay less.

My phone line had been in service since my grandmother got it in the 1940s, so it was "grandmothered in" as a pulse-dial-only account and she never "upgraded" to tone service, nor did I after she died.

I know because I tested it several times during the years. That's why I was so surprised the fax machine was able to tone-dial. Manual tone dialing simply did not work.

Before 2004, the phone circuits in my neighborhood were old. The box for my street was located two blocks away on a telephone pole where a SBC employee could get to it without needing a ladder. For several years I had to call at least once a year to report noise on my line, and the last employee to service the line told me the "plant was old" and the insulation on the wires in the overhead cable was deteriorating. When there was no noise on the line I could use a 56K modem at full speed; when there was noise voice calls were difficult to impossible, the hissing and popping was so loud. The location of the central station that served that connection was unknown to me. I do know that megabit-speed DSL was not possible because I was too far away from the central station; in those days SBC had a website that would tell the availability.

In 2004, SBC installed a cabinet with DSLAMs a half-block away from me and connected it to a central station with a large fiber optic cable, and replaced the copper cable on the telephone poles. Finally my phone line was quiet !! I still did not have manaul tone-dialing ability - I tested it to see. The 56K modem still worked well. I got 1.5 mb/s DSL six months later and never used that modem again.

In early 1994 Google was beginning studies before installing their own Internet services, and AT&T began installing new fiber optic systems to compete and also roll out more UVerse capability. I was outside the house when a truck rolled up with a big spool of fiber optic cable; the installation team despooled the cable to its destination at a new cabinet four blocks away.

Later In mid-1994 a nearby lightning strike disabled my DSL modem. I was outside when the strike hit, thought I might lose some of my hearing. AT&T was eager to have me go to UVerse (because of Google) and gave me a substantive discount for a year.

My UVerse VOIP service comes in over copper wire, at 6 mb/s. I don't need faster service because I have no interest in their video offerings. I don't know if it works with my old fax machine yet, haven't needed to send faxes. As for using an analog modem, I would have to dig up the documentation on how to set it up, it's been ten years since I last used it, and that was on a pre-Windows XP computer.

"In early 1994 Google was beginning studies..." Oh really?

I goofed up that year's number {sad face} - where I put 1994 should be 2014.
I'm getting old ... was using 33.6K modem in those days

In early 1994 I saw some guys looking at and taking measurements of utility poles on my street. I approached them and asked them what they were doing, and they told me their company had been hired by Google to review the utility poles prior to Google putting up their own cables for Internet service. The City of Austin (Texas) is the electrical power generator and distributor within the city, that department is called Austin Energy, so Google had to negotiate with that department to be able to use the poles. The poles on the other side of my street from my house already carry high voltage lines, 120/240 vac lines, and cables of Time Warner and Grande Communications, and another cable that I don't know who owns. AT&T has its own utility poles on my side of the street and probably isn't going to share. Some of the poles are extremely old (more than 60 years old) and might have to be replaced to be able to handle more weight yet another cable will introduce.

I have been using NoMoRobo almost since day one, and I am happy to report it works. Very few of these crappy calls get through, although the one ring is still annoying as it may occur three to four times each day these cretins are dialing.

I'd also suggest everyone start reporting these numbers to your state public utilities department and/or  your state attorney general. With enough of these reports, there will be action to stop them.