• -7
    Flintstone
    | 6 replies
    Someone should add scam/phishing to the list of call types.
  • +8
    ANonieMouse replies to Flintstone
    | 5 replies
    >>> Someone should add scam/phishing to the list of call types. <<<

    We've had that discussion here a long time ago in another forum thread.  The answer is, no, we shouldn't.  The purpose of this web site is to provide information that people can use if they choose, not to post conclusory posts about whether the poster thinks it's a scam.

    After all, if you post it here, presumably you already think it's a scam.  Indexing posts as "scam" doesn't add any helpful information.
  • -6
    TO MANY CALL
    | 5 replies
    281-305-3814

    We will reeive 6 to 10 call aday from this number.  We have 2 land  lines and both of our phones will ring with a minute of each other.
  • +7
    B-Edwards replies to TO MANY CALL
    Please post in existing thread related to this number.  Please do a search for a number BEFORE creating a new post that is likely to be lost or deleted.
    https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-281-305-3814
  • +7
    ANonieMouse
    800 notes admin,
    Please lock this forum.  A public forum with the very broad name "Scam Calls" is likely to attract many off-topic posts from going into the proper number forums.
  • -7
    Long John Sliver replies to TO MANY CALL
    | 3 replies
    Had as many as 53 calls in one month. Over 200 so far this year which is way down from last year. Here is an effective way to dump harassment calls!!

    This info post is based on over 3 years of fighting unwanted scammer calls!!! This is what you are fighting!!! Here is hard earned info for those who have just encountered their first series of criminal scammers and want to know how to do something about those unwanted harassing calls. Don’t just complain – TAKE ACTION!!!
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    Criminal scammers target the poor, elderly, and uninformed. Anyone who gives computer access, personal info, and/or credit card numbers can lose hundreds to thousands of dollars!!!!! Claim you don’t own a credit card and want to MAIL a check. Get their name and address and then report the scammer. Some scammer employees are posting messages that you should just use the drop option to take you off their caller list. That scam adds your name to multiple scammer phone lists!!!
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    Scammer employees are also posting msgs that anyone advocating call blockers are just scam advertisers selling their own product brand. There are many different brands of blockers. Choose one and start blocking those scammers.
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    This post is rather verbose, but I hope the following may be a help to anyone trying to defeat this criminal scum!!!!
    *****************************************************************************************************************
                           HARASSMENT AND SCAMMER HISTORY
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     Only 2 of 207 unwanted calls got thru my blockers from 1 Jan 2015 to present.
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      We had been receiving harassing calls for months, with a high of 53 in one month. The number of calls finally exceeded our toleration levels. The telephone company was unable to block the calls because many of the harassment calls were being generated using a device called an ID spoofer which generates phony caller ID’s. Police informed me that the callers are largely U.S. and overseas criminals, drug users, inmates, convicts, solicitors, scammers, and others who ignore federal no-call laws.
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      One of the options to defeat the harassment calls is to change to a new unlisted telephone number, but this is giving-in to the criminals. It would also make it extremely difficult, if not impossible, for legitimate callers, friends, and family from around the country from contacting you.  The telephone company’s call blocking service is limited, costly, and time consuming. Legal action and call tracing by the phone company using back tracking through the local telephone switching matrix is possible for local origination calls. Other calls are more difficult to trace especially when caller ID spoofs are used to impede normal call tracing. There had to be a better option than a new unlisted phone number, and there is.
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     The harassment calls, scammer calls, telephone solicitors, political calls, Etc, are engaging in an “Act of War” by essentially taking over your telephone. I am a retired military officer. One of the many training courses I attended in my 27 year career included training in “The Art of War” by Sun Tzu. One of the maxims is to know yourself and know your enemy, and you will never need to fear a battle. After experiencing this assault, I proceeded to research the situation and develop a plan of action.
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      I had been program manager and program engineer for installation of many USAF class 5 digital telephone exchanges, but had been out of the business for many years. In talking to the police and the telephone company engineers/technicians, I found out about the new technology to generate digital spoofing calls with phony Caller IDs using computer APPs. This matches with the pattern of the Caller ID data I had recorded from the harassment calls.  Analysis of the data confirmed that I had both robo scammers/solicitors and an individual in my town responsible for the harassing calls.
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      Research also showed call spoofing can be generated from smart phones, I-pads, computers, robo call devices, or any device with phone access and a spoofing application. Some devices will allow spoofing and also generate robo voice traffic. Additional indication of spoofing is the fact that the Caller IDs sometimes had full 10 digit numbers and other times had only the 7 digit local origination numbers with known out of state robo call messages.
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      Caller IDs with only 7 digits usually originate from within the local area code. One of the local calls used my own phone number as the caller ID, and two of the caller ID’s used phone numbers with only one digit different from my phone number. I confirmed that the owners of these local phone numbers did not originate the calls. Spelling errors and robo messages using these numbers clearly proved use of a spoofing application.
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      I have found an effective way to combat these harassment/robo callers that has been over 95% successful. I spread the word by posting the following to 800notes.com/phone and other selected web sites each time I receive a NEW harassment/robo call.
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    CALL BLOCKERS WORK!
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      We research harassment/scam calls then post this msg every time a NEW robo number calls.  NEVER press X to opt out, and NEVER respond in any way to the robo caller because it just adds your name to multiple robo scammer calling lists.
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       The federal no-call list is a joke – criminals ignore the law and the government does nothing.  The phone company wants the money from robo companies and will do nothing to stop the harassment/robo calls.  Local police do not have the manpower or technology to track/block these calls. Here is a one-time relatively low cost way to beat those harassment/robo calls.
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      You can defeat >95% of harassment and robo calls.  Go on-line to Amazon and purchase an in-line "CPR CALLBLOCKER"!  It has an inventory of up to 1200 numbers in the call blocker list.  Be careful in setting up the list or you get unexpected blockages of valid incoming calls. Start by blocking all calls using caller ID’s of UNAVAILABLE, PRIVATE, or WITHHELD.   Then block hot spot robo area codes (Chicago, New York, Florida) which have NO friends or family – 201, 212, 214, 239, 312, 321, 323, 331, 347, 516, 518, 630, 708, 772, 773, 815, 847, and many others. Finally, ONLY block individual phone #s in area codes WITH friends and family.  ONLY use 3 digit area codes, OR full 10 digit phone numbers.  Never use 7 digit inputs to the blocking list or you WILL have problems!  Keep a complete written list of harassing area codes and individual blocking numbers.  A small glitch when entering a number into the list can mess up your entire blocking list requiring a hardware reset and complete reprogramming of the list.
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       Harassment/robo callers frequently use a spoofing APP to create phony incoming caller ID’s on your phone. Hidden characters in a spoofed Caller ID’s number can sneak the robo call past some blockers.  An optional secondary SENTRY BLOCKER with a 1000 entry blocker list ignores hidden characters and blocks/kills the call when it’s turned ON.  SENTRY BLOCKER also effectively dumps any unmonitored scam callers. There are many other brands of call blockers than the two described.  Choose yours and BLOCK THOSE HARASSMENT CALLS!!!!!
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       It is really great fun watching a call blocker/Caller ID recorder light-up then dump a call when the unwanted Caller ID matches the blocking list!!!  One can especially enjoy it when the call blocker hangs up on a persistent harassment caller!!!
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    MY BLOCKER CONFIGURATION

                                 |--------------CALL-ZAPPER
                                 |
                                 |--------------CPR BLOCKER----------OFFICE PHONE
                                 |
         ============|-------------SENTRY BLOCKER----ANSWERING MACHINE---HOME PHONE
                                 |
                                 |--------------CID RECORDER
                                 |
                                 |--------------2nd HOME PHONE

      CALL ZAPPER sends out a telephone office signal that the phone line is disconnected. Many
                                auto scanning robo systems will then  automatically drop your number.

      CPR BLOCKER has list of up to 1200 black list entries for area codes or phone numbers. Upon
                                 detection of a blocked number, CPR hangs up.

      SENTRY BLOCKER hangs up on all black listed phone numbers. White list numbers are
                                 passed thru for phone/answering machine. Non-listed numbers have
                                 British/Spanish/German msg for solicitors to hang up, and tells other valid
                                 unlisted callers to dial zero to leave msg on answering machine - this auto
                                 blocks all unmonitored robo calls. Up to1000 entries in call list.

      2nd HOME PHONE rings only ONCE if call is blocked. Call rings thru if blockers are off or if
                                 call is passed by blockers.

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    CALL HISTORY
    (2015)
    CPR BLOCKER kills selected robo area code hot spots. SENTRY BLOCKER black list kills individual phone #s.  SENTRY white list passes friends and family.  SENTRY also kills unmonitored robo calls.
    Jan – 26 harassment calls with 25 auto blocked, 4 #’s added to SENTRY black list ( non-existent area codes).
    Feb – 14 harassment calls with 14 auto blocked, 4 #s added to SENTRY black list.
    Mar –40 harassment calls with 40 auto blocked, 7 #s added to SENTRY black list.
    Apr – 24 harassment calls with 24 auto blocked, 4 #s added to SENTRY black list. 2 area codes added to CPR  blocker
    May- 21 harassment calls with 21 auto blocked, 6 #s added to SENTRY black list, 2 area codes added to CPR blocker.
    Jun- 26 harassment calls with 25 auto blocked.  1 #s added to SENTRY black list, 3 area codes added to CPR BLOCKER.
    Jul – 18 harassment calls with 18 auto blocked, 5#s added to SENTRY black list, 4 new area codes added to CPR BLOCKER.
    Aug – 14 harassment calls with 14 auto blocked, 2#s added to SENTRY black list, 0 new area codes added to CPR BLOCKER.
    Sep – 17 harassment calls with 17 auto blocked, 3#s added to SENTRY black list, 1 new area codes added to CPR BLOCKER.
    Oct – 6 harassment calls with 6 auto blocked, 1#s added to SENTRY black list, 0 new codes added to CPR BLOCKER. (Current as of 9 Oct 2015)
    *

    MOST RECENT UNWANTED CALLS

    #202, 1 Oct, 5:25pm, 470-426-5793, Rpt#, auto blocked, Atlanta Georgia, New scammer call
    #203, 5 Oct, 5:40pm, 815-306-4145, -UNAVAILABLE-, auto blocked, Chicago scammer vipers
    #204, 6 Oct, 1:45pm, 815-975-3321, FOUNDATIONFORAM, auto blocked, Chicago charity scammers
    #205, 8 Oct, 12:20pm, 773-906-8113, -UNAVAILABLE-, auto blocked, Chicago scammer plague
    #206, 9 Oct, 8:10am, 417-731-4085, MIDNIGHT SUN PRO, auto blocked, Missouri scammer call
    #207, 9 Oct, 11:35am, 815-972-3321, FOUND AMER VET, auto blocked, Chicago repeat scam call
  • -6
    Ivanna B. Leftalone replies to ANonieMouse
    | 1 reply
    I kind of agree that there should be a scam category;  the IRS fraudsters and "Microsoft Techs" are two that are blatantly obvious enough that we can classify them as a scam.  Telemarketers and indiscriminate charity solicitors, while just as unscrupulous, are just that...
  • -6
    mmmdonuts replies to Long John Sliver
    | 1 reply
    Hmm. Your ideas are intriguing to me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.
  • +6
    B-Edwards replies to Long John Sliver
    He's A GOD!!  Amazing how he manipulated technology by following the instructions inside the boxes!!
    That Wall o' Text sure convinced me!   Newsletter?  Naw, I ready for his second novel!
  • +7
    B-Edwards replies to Ivanna B. Leftalone
    I was thinking that too.  But ANonie makes a compelling point for simplicity:  Since there is no way to search by any of the categories, I am not sure creating more categories makes much sense.  Unless you are like me and love database type info!

    The other thing is that some numbers are spoofed and used for different scams.  So any one number might be associated with debt scammers and IRS scammers, and that might create some problems.
  • +5
    B-Edwards replies to mmmdonuts
    Couldn't you just DIE for that Venn Diagram he has of his routing?   OMG, I got Chills!  I am thinking some real hunky guy for the lead....Soooo Romantic!!
  • -7
    No aceptamos replies to ANonieMouse
    | 1 reply
    I also think there should be a scam category.  There's a prank category.  Seems that leads to "conclusory posts about whether the poster thinks it's a" prank.  No different for a scam.

    Maybe there is a legal issue involved in labeling a call a scam vs prank.
  • +5
    B-Edwards replies to No aceptamos
    I keep coming back to how do more categories really help if we can't search by cat.?  And if I could search by cat, would I, would it be useful info?   I found this site because calls were showing up only as numbers and no names.  So I googled the darn number, landed here, and found out that I was being called by Rachel.  This was handy to know, since I didn't want to talk to Rachel and now I could ignore or block her calls.  I did not reject her only because what she was trying to sell me, and I reckoned she WAS a scammer, I cared about my privacy.

    I suppose if I searched by categories I might be able to put a block list together, but that might be the long way around, you know?  I Love Information, and categorizing stuff.  I have identified 19 main types of pocket lint.  But I am not sure I see how more cats works for the way I use 800notes.  How do you see more cats being useful to you?  Sincere question, not trolling, k?

    btw - I have noticed your posts.  You might want to register and maybe be a part of other levels/types of discussions.  This post may end up deleted before I have a chance to understand your point of view and ideas.  Members have some ways to work around that.  // b.e.
  • +1
    TormentingTelemarketers
    I think the scam category would be abused, unfortunately, since it could actually be useful. I just fear that any call that was deemed unwanted would be flagged as "scam" even though the service (ignoring TCPA violations) was generally legitimate. And since you can't really search by category, what is the actual purpose of the category (and given the current list, isn't 'telemarketer' be a little redundant?)?
  • +9
    Resident47
    We have indeed been over this repeatedly. "Scammer" is an opinion, not a call category. This website cannot afford to be seen with an editorial slant. Admin confirmed as much a couple weeks ago.

    ANonie is right about promoting authenticity and avoiding redundancy. Somewhat I agree with Tormenting. The moment the drop menu includes a "scammer" or "spammer" choice, every call which is neither will be misidentified as such by everyone who reports "didn't answer", "blocked it", "hung up", or otherwise did nothing to actually identify the caller .... which is exactly the goal of these database sites.

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