Why does 800notes.com block postings with "post pending moderator approval" ???

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    BigA replies to CelticDragon
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    Yep, I'll go along completely with that one.
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    CelticDragon replies to BigA
    I see my last post got nailed. Still, I'm surprised this guy hasn't returned.
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    BlueBaru replies to Resident47
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    If this, somehow, shows up as a dupeish thing, I'm sorry. I hit a wrong key, went to a wrong page, and when I came back, what I had composed was gone.

    I appreciate this site and have benefited from it greatly. Now, y'all can run 800Notes.com any way you want to. That includes defining, or re-defining words any way you want. I'm not quibbling. I just think it seems appropriate to reconsider having banned the guy's posts.

    Spam. I was puzzled by the definition I found here, because it is not at all in line with my understanding of the meaning of the word, and I have been doing e-mail for more than 20 years. Mere repetition, or "boilerplate," does not constitute spam, in my understanding of the word. So, I checked:
    -Merriam-Webster's Learner's Dictionary
    "Simple Definition of spam
    : e-mail that is not wanted : e-mail that is sent to large numbers of people and that consists mostly of advertising"

    Look at the last four words. Then  again, at the last one, again. I see two problems with reconciling that and the definition you used. First of all, it is not "sent" to large numbers of people. Secondly, as far as I can tell, there is nothing to suggest any kind of advertising. Is there anything in every one of his posts that even describe If you WANTED to do business with  RPM SCAMBUSTER, would you know how to contact him? Do you even know what city he is in? Phone number? e-mail? As far as I can tell, he's not offering anything I want, and even if he were selling hundred dollar bills, two for a dollar, I have no clue how to find him.

    Trying to find him, in fact, I found the answer to a question I had: Is his post the only one that ever shows up on a given number? Does no one ever post other complaints after his? No and Yes. Other people do post on the same numbers, and therefore he is NOT the only one to complain about a specific number.

    The "large number" aspect of spam means that one message is sent to all of those people at one time. The same message. Not ten or a hundred or a thousand different messages. One message. As soon as the phone number is changed, the message is a different one. Just because it has mostly the same words does not make it the same message, because each different phone number makes it a uniquely different message.

    As far as I can tell, it should make utterly no difference at all, why he is getting all of the scam artists' phone numbers. He's getting them. They are coming from scammers. I would appreciate coming here and finding someone else's information abut a phone number I questioned. Isn't that what this site is all about, in the first place?

    There are thousands of other craigslist users -- and every one of them is a potential victim of every single one of the scammers that contact him. By letting him post those warnings, you have no idea how much money you have saved how many people. I guess you can tell how many other people search on numbers he has posted, without bothering to post anything themselves, having verified that a scam is involved. How many different individuals post a single number, which nobody else ever searches on?

    Full Definition of spam (Same source as above.)
    :  unsolicited usually commercial e-mail sent to a large number of addresses

    Once again: "Sent" and "usually commercial." That a large number of individuals come to this one place is hardly his fault. It is just evidence that what HE'S doing is not spam; that he's warning about someone who is trying to run a scam.

    Let's look at another definition:
    Dictionary.com:
    (lowercase) Digital Technology. disruptive online messages, especially commercial messages posted on a computer network or sent as email.

    I, personally, don't understand how his messages could be considered "disruptive," if they are directly connected with the putative purpose of this (great) Web site. Just because he is first to post doesn't denigrate, in any way, his purpose. After all, how is he expected to know whether one, or one hundred, others will be looking up this number? If he's the only one, that doesn't make his report any less legitimate simply because he has no prescience.

    Oh, and that "large number." He does not send to a large number of people. He does not post a large number of posts about the same number, so far as I can tell. When he does post a second or third iteration about the same number, it's hardly his fault that he got those additional contacts.

    Now, I understand this may be bothersome to you. It may even be costly. Does it make any difference if he is making all of these reports using the same name and the same text? If he were doing something different every time, you would incur the same cost -- it would just be more costly for him to try and warn other users. What purpose would that serve?

    Back to Merriam-Webster's
    Simple Definition of indiscriminate
    : affecting or harming many people or things in a careless or unfair way
    : not careful in making choices

    In what way has this guy harmed anybody? What is unfair about any of his posts? Careless or not careful? He has no control over who tries to scam him.

    Full Definition of indiscriminate
    1
    a :  not marked by careful distinction :  deficient in discrimination and discernment <indiscriminate reading habits> <indiscriminate mass destruction>
    b :  haphazard, random <indiscriminate application of a law>
    2
    a :  promiscuous, unrestrained <indiscriminate sexual behavior>
    b :  heterogeneous, motley

    The only thing, so far as I can tell, which is haphazard, random, or lacking careful distinction is the phone numbers -- the sources of the calls.

    I appreciate 800notes.com, and were I in  his position, would probably be  willing to accept your ruling -- and then begin to generate an assortment of names and messages, and continue posting. You cannot deny that people have drawn benefit from some of his posts. A lot of benefit? I don't know. A lot of his posts? I don't know, of course.

    I just didn't see the logic in your response to him and I didn't see -- according to my limited understanding of the language and the terms you used -- how the words "spam" and "indiscriminate" meant the same thing as "a whole lot of." Having looked them up, I still don't.

    Oh, yeah. One other source -- dictionary.com, again:
    adjective
    1.
    not discriminating; lacking in care, judgment, selectivity, etc.:
    indiscriminate in one's friendships.
    2.
    not discriminate; haphazard; thoughtless:
    indiscriminate slaughter.
    3.
    not kept apart or divided; thrown together; jumbled:
    an indiscriminate combination of colors and styles.

    I just don't see what he describes, and you acknowledge, as being covered by even one of these definitions.

    If your software is alerting you to each of his messages, and checking them out is a time consuming nuisance, is there not a setting which will allow his postings to pass through, unhindered and unflagged?
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    Look it up replies to CelticDragon
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    "Indiscriminate" does not mean "Repetitive."

    It is hardly his fault if the calls come in following no particular pattern. Like I said: Look it up. "Indiscriminate" probably doesn't close to what you think it means.
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    CelticDragon replies to Look it up
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    There IS no pattern to his posts-therefore my comment was valid. Then again, why don't you post under your regular name there RPM
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    Robert
    Great post. You did a lot of research for it. Kudos for the actual definitions of the words. As for the original poster, keep posting the information because there ARE people out there who you are helping.
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    NCC2231
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    I am guess the issue might be related to the information in your posts. Keep in mind that our posts must fall within the 800notes Terms of Service. Otherwise they might require approval.
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    Look it up replies to NCC2231
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    NCC2231 -- You're absolutely right, and I've said so in another post -- It's their rules. They can make them, break them, change them, suspend them, harshen them -- their rules; they get to do whatever they want. I'm just saying that, as stated in their response, it seemed like they were saying, "We like it that way." Which is perfectly the same -- their rules, they can do it any way they want. I just noticed they used two words which, by dictionary definitions, don't seem to apply.

    I noticed a logic which I didn't understand. If they guy took even more time to post exactly the same number of numbers, but varied how he posted them, how is that magically better than what he has been doing for a long time? Why is it, after all of that time, what he's been doing is suddenly wrong?

    I'm sorry,but that's just how my brain works. If something doesn't meet a known standard -- like the definition of a word -- it stirs up all of this cognitive dissonnance. Then, when I look more closely  at the logic, and I can't see any different in the long term effect just because the same thing is done two different ways, I seek explanations. If the explanation is, simply, "We like it that way," fine. Now I know what I'm dealing with. Simple.

    If, in the meantime, what I ask, and the facts I point out, make a little bit of sense maybe I've helped. Not me. I'm not really helped, one way or the other, unless I get some kind of explanation I can hang my hat on. That would be very helpful.

    The real thing which totally puzzles me is that, here's a guy catching a lot of scams, reporting those scams, having people coming along later and being grateful to learn about those scams, and somehow, simply because he's willing to take the time to report them -- he's somehow a scumbag, or whatever. It's not his fault that, because of the way he does business, a lot of people try to take advantage of him -- and of other people. I've noticed that, for several of his phone numbers, there were other people.
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    CelticDragon replies to Look it up
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    Spammers aren't well-tolerated. And the fact that another poster found he was using Craigslist for free advertising and that he's caused himself to get these calls? I don't see why we should put up with this
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    NCC2231
    Comments that contain too much information might come off as spam. For example it is one thing to claim that a call was stopped by a call blocker. But it is another to get into the name, model number and features of a given device.
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    zeus replies to CelticDragon
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    many businesses use craigslist.  where does it state the op was advertising for free? you are assuming too much.
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    Look it up replies to BigA
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    I just have a problem with, "is considered and in fact is spam." Who (Besides 800notes.com -- who can call it whatever they want; they get to make the rules.) considers it spam? What "fact" do you rely on to call it spam? What advertising or other commercial message is contained? Did you not notice that there is "further information" in each post? Each unique phone number really, really, really IS further information. I am astounded that, just because the warning happens to be identical from one number to the next, this is in any way wrong.

    If I look up 123-456-7890, and there is a post saying I just had some contact with a scam artist using that number, does it matter how many dozens or hundreds or thousands of other times the IDENTICAL message (apart from the phone number) in the post on 123-456-7890 is included in other posts? It's specific information I want. Duplicated elsewhere, or not, I got what I came for. Simple as that.

    It's a principle thousands of years old: "veni vidi vici" "I came, I saw, I conquered." Maybe, in this case, "conquered" is a little strong, but "won" isn't. When we come here, and we see useful information, we win. We lose if someone tried to warn us, but was blocked.

    That's what it seems to me like it all boils down to: the purpose as I (perhaps mistakenly) understand of the site: Someone has some kind of telephonic experience, he comes here to see who might have been involved. He finds help, or he finds the number has not been posted yet -- and he posts it.

    EVERY SINGLE NUMBER HERE was, at some time, posted by some one for the first time. Many numbers are never posted on again. The car guy just happens to be first poster, a lot. If this guy is costing money in the form of bandwidth or storage space or something -- especially if every one of his posts is pointless -- I can understand how it's a problem. I'm just baffled by the situation as I understand it, with possibly limited information, based upon what I've been able to read, because I've noticed other people are being helped by his posts.

    And, I'm baffled when the source of a "fact" is not cited, and I have just looked up that "fact" and found it at variance with standard definitions.
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