951-616-6885

threatening law suit over something they can't identify

we just got the same thing from this # and they hung on me when we won't
give them any money

They kept calling me and saying the situation unfold on me badly and all they could do is wish me good luck if i didn't pay them 300.00

At 11:04 on 9/16/09 I received a phone call at my office from 875-820-6274. When I answered I was immediately aware of an unusual amount of background noise from the caller. I asked who was speaking, and the caller kept asking for me to verify my name. The man had a thick accent, possibly Indian, and pronounced my name incredibly wrong, so I immediately knew it wasn't anyone I did business with. I asked who he represented and his name, he said his name was Davy Jones, and he was a Lawyer with Law Firm for Cashnet. He said I owed 1095.00 and unless I paid it today he would sent police to arrest me at my work and extradite me to California for my trial, which was being held in the morning on 9/17/09. I asked what court this trial was in and he was unable to tell me. I kept probing him for information and was placed on hold, usually a tactic to get people to hang up, but he came back on and continued saying he was going to have me arrested if I didn't pay, and if I continued being difficult he would go after my relatives. I asked him what the call was in reference to and what the business was, he repeated the same information, this time asking if I knew a Barbara **** and a Chris *****. I asked how he knew who they were, not disclosing they were my mother and ex, and he said he would have them arrested too. I asked for a number to call back at, and he gave me 951-616-6884. I told him I would not give any information because I have never done business with his company and that I was ending the phone call, he continued to threaten me saying he was getting a warrant for my arrest and I was going to be arrested soon. I ended the call.  I contact my local police department, which forwarded me to the attorney general, and then I was advised to contact my local Secret Service office, and I know that sounds extreme but they were VERY helpful.  ****THE SECRET SERVICE ADVISES YOU GO TO WWW.IC3.GOV AND FILE A COMPLAINT****
Caller ID: 8758206274
Caller: cashnet

Caller calles  me  from a   phoney law firm 951-616-6885 telling me  

on sept 18 2009  835 am  leave a message   that I took a loan out  

from national payday loan   not true  I checked with bank   no deposit
from them  said it was $500 never got it  they said they would file a law
suit  to pay back  $5000 and then threaten me  thy would  have a warrant
and take me to court how phoney  They wouls send me paper work
theses peopleneed to be stopped right  away  I am going to my state
attorney  soon
thank you  do not belive  if you get the call  fraud

Hi Dennis got the same call   were you owe money its  a scam  

951-616-6885

they will catch theses people

I just got the call.  The guy's name is Bob Smith stating he spoke to me in November, 2008.  On a situation and I need to either call them or have my attorney Brackert call. My atterney's name is not Brackert.  This person has a very heavy accent.  I tried calling this number and it was a fax maching.

This scam has been going on for well over a year, now and has been recognized as such by the BBB:

Chicago, IL – August 5, 2009 – The Better Business Bureau is issuing an alert about phony debt collectors that are calling consumers nationwide and claiming that they have defaulted on a payday loan and will be arrested if they don’t pay immediately. Claiming to be lawyers, the scammers say they are with the “Financial Accountability Association” or the “Federal Legislation of Unsecured Loans” and are equipped with a disconcerting amount of personal information about their potential victims.

“Because the scammers have so much information about potential victims, the BBB is concerned that this may be the result of a data breach,” said Steve J. Bernas, president & CEO of the Better Business Bureau serving Chicago and Northern Illinois. “Thousands of people may have had their personal information compromised, and given the scammers’ tactics, it appears that those who have previously used payday loan services could be particularly at risk.”

According to reports received by the BBB and posted online, the scammers accuse the victim of defaulting on a payday loan and claim they are being sued. The phony debt collector threatens that, if the victim doesn’t pay as much as $1,000 immediately via wire or by providing bank account or credit card numbers, he or she will be arrested and extradited to California within the hour to stand trial. The scammers often may have the victim’s Social Security, old bank account numbers or driver’s license numbers as well as home addresses, employer information and even the names of personal friends and professional references.

The BBB offers the following advice to consumers if they receive a suspicious telephone call about an outstanding debt:
* Ask the debt collector to provide official documentation in writing which substantiates the debt.
* Do not provide or confirm any bank account, credit card or other personal information over the phone until you have confirmed the legitimacy of the call.
* Review recent copies of your credit reports to ensure that the alleged debt is not affecting your credit. Consumers can do this for free once every 12 months, and can find more information here: http://www.ftc.gov/freereports 
* Under the Federal Trade Commission's Fair Debt Collection Practices Act, debt collectors may not harass, oppress, or abuse any person while attempting to collect a debt.
* A debtor may be contacted between 8 a.m. and 9 p.m. only and can be contacted at work unless instructed not to.
* File a complaint with the FTC online if the caller is abusive, uses threats or otherwise violates federal telemarketing laws.
* File a complaint with BBB online at www.bbb.org if you believe a debt collector is trying to scam you.

http://www.thinkglink.com/article/2009/08/06/ ... eading-says-bbb

https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-618-5897

This is a very active group of scammers, many of whom are calling from India (and probably other countries) and are in cahoots with a group of American pay day loan scammers. They attempt to extort money from consumers with a myriad of false and illegal threats, and alternately pose as debt collectors, federal and state law enforcement officers, lawyers and bankers. Their trademark is to use meaningless legalese gobblygook phrases like "We are downloading warrants against you" or "We are filing an affidavit against you." Another trademark phrase is to threaten the consumer with something like this ridiculous phrase: "If you don't pay then only God can help you."

Typical of many financial scams of this variety, they usually demand payment via Western Union or MoneyGram or credit card. They use any number of phony names such as US National Bank, Federal Investigation Bureau, US Legal Investigation Bureau, Hopkins Law Office, United Legal Processing, Morgan Associates, United Pay Services, National Processing, White Collar Crime Unit and many more.  These criminals also use many phone numbers from many area codes; they're probably using caller-id spoofing software and/or VoIP to disguise their real location.

The main thing to remember is that anytime someone calls you demanding money to prevent your arrest, or demanding your lawyer's name so they can sue you, it is ALWAYS a scam. No debt collector (let alone criminals posing as debt collectors) has the authority to have anyone arrested for anything. (And it's illegal to them to threaten such a thing.) And since these foreign dirtbags routinely impersonate law enforcement, it's also important to remember that American law enforcement officers aren't in the business of debt collection.  (Debt is a civil, not a criminal, matter.)

The bottom line is, these are criminals trying to steal your money.

A consumer posting a complaint about these same scammers at https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-718-831-7157 notes that 718-831-7157 is associated with an India-based "outsourcing" telephone bank.  Though a reverse search on WhitePages.com shows that 718-831-7157 is an unlisted land line in New York City, information on Debtbuyers.Com shows that that number is used by India-based Intellisourze. (Source: http://www.debtbuyers.com/debtbuyers.asp ) My guess is that it's a VoIP phone number.

This is another piece of the puzzle that fits in perfectly with other information about this scam. There are some reports on 800Notes that have suggested that the crooks behind this offshore scam are also the crooks behind the notorious Bass/Ellis Crosby & Assoc./States Predisposition scams in Florida and Georgia. The interesting thing is that the number of complaints on here about the US National Bank/US Legal Investigation/Federal Investigation scam skyrocketed *after* April 7, 2008 when Florida obtained a $1.3 million judgment against Ted Ellis Crosby, shutdown his operations and barred him from ever conducting debt collections in Florida (Read http://myfloridalegal.com/newsrel.nsf/newsrel ... 5257424005858A6 ) There's certainly a good chance that the crooks placing these calls from India are doing so on behalf of the American crooks behind the Crosby/Bass/States Predisposition scams.

Here's the contact information for the phone bank in India:

IntellisOurzE BPO
701, Sapphier, Nr. Cargo Motors,
C.G. Road Navrangpura,
Ahmedabad - 9. (Guj.) INDIA.
E-Mail: info@intellisourze.com
Website: www.intellisourze.com

A check on the domain name "intellisourze.com" shows that the website and name registration was created on May 8, just one month *after* the Crosby scams were shut down in Florida:

Domain Name: INTELLISOURZE.COM
Registrant:  Pragra Infratech Pvt. Limited.
Email:  ankur.ranpariya@pragra.com  
908, Aksaht Tower, Nr. ICICI Bank
Opp. Rajpath Club, S.G. Highway
Ahmedabad, Gujarat, India 380054
Tel. +91.7926871353
Creation Date: 08-May-2008
Expiration Date: 08-May-2009
Domain servers in listed order: ns5.znetindia.com ns4.znetindia.com
(Source: http://whois.domaintools.com/intellisourze.com )

Though scam calls from these crooks have been going on long before May 8, the frequency of complaints about these calls increased considerably after Crosby was shut down in early April.

This is conjecture, but appearances suggest that Crosby and company were originally running a two-pronged payday loan scam operation -- with some calls being made from Jacksonville, Florida and other calls being made from a phone bank in India (and possibly other countries); then, after the Florida Attorney General shut down the Crosby scams in Florida, the Crosby crooks transferred most of their scam efforts to the India phone bank.

If you are targeted by these criminals, be sure to report them to all the following federal and state law enforcement agencies (most of which you can do online or over the phone):

1) Alert the FBI at https://tips.fbi.gov  Be sure to tell the FBI that you are being targeted by extortionists over the phone. And if the crooks claim to be law enforcement, lawyers, officers of the court or bankers, or if they threatened you with arrest, be sure to include that information in your report.

2) File a complaint online with The Federal Trade Commission at https://www.ftccomplaintassistant.gov/FTC_Wizard.aspx?Lang=en

3) File a complaint with your local police. Most police departments will take a report over the phone.  Be sure to tell them that you're being targeted by an extortionist and give them all the details.

4) The caller placed the call under a Texas area code. Even though the caller ID was probably spoofed or they're using VoIP technology to hide the fact that they're really calling from overseas, you should also file a complaint with the Texas Attorney General at http://www.oag.state.tx.us/consumer/complain.shtml 

5) File a complaint your state's attorney general, the contact information for whom is at www.naag.org

6) The U.S. Secret Service is responsible for protecting the country's financial infrastructure and payment systems from international and domestic threats. Call or write your local Secret Service field office to alert them to the details of this attempted extortion. The addresses and phone numbers for the local Secret Service field offices are listed at http://www.secretservice.gov/field_offices.shtml or in your phone book.

If these crooks call back, promise them nothing, pay them nothing and tell them nothing other than that you know they're a scam and that you've reported them to law enforcement. (And be sure to report them to all the agencies above each time they call you.)

By the way, here's just a small sample of numbers used by this particular group of scammers. Read the reports and you'll see the same pattern time and again -- phony organization names, thick foreign accents, and oddly worded threats that are so melodramatic and ridiculous that it's laughable:

https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-925-262-1327
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-678-954-6346
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-341-4004
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-856-831-0640
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-949-743-1140
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-410-505-8128
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-917-464-2534
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-210-858-6602
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-888-775-2121
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-949-743-1156
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-245-1402
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-245-0922
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-214-723-5572
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-904-425-2863
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-718-831-7157
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-904-425-2857
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-858-244-0444
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-954-678-9724
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-610-571-3252
https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-310-909-8245

...and, many, MANY more.

yes he did it to me to   again  but  I deleted the message   its a big

scam  with all his threats  do not believe report  law infforce ment

office  the called is comeing out 0f  morena  ca near river side  

1-951-616-6885 pretending a law firm  for national pay day advanced
fraud  do not believe him  we need to stop this with threats  
called the morena police dept  file a report  they can find this
person there number is  1-800-952-5225 the number is comeing from
cell phone . And who ever is doing this prank  they will get you  
be ready  when   the FBI  CHECKS YOU OUT  you have been reported

thank you  Davey

Call from 1-951-616-6885 on 9-22-09, He lft a message saying his name was David Jones, and he was from the law office.  He called my cell phone and it came up restricted.  When I was listening to the message on my cell phone he called my work.  I did not talk to him either.  I dont where they are coming from but I will not answer if they call again.  I have been scammed to many times to put up with this kind of stuff again.  
DO NOT SEND THEM ANY MONEY.

Some man named Shame Jackson left me a voice mail saying to call back asap, if not he wish me the best of luck. I recived another call from him and he said you old my company $500.00 from a  national pay day loan.I reply that cant be ture and im not paying anything that i have not recived, when did this take place? He gave me a date of Dec 28,2008 I reply how did you get my infomation, He says if you dont pay you will be taking to court. He have my SSN, Address, E mail and other info on me. He told me if i dont pay the full amount by 5:PM today the police and FBI is comming to pick me up on Firday Sep25,2009 from my home or work place to put me in jail and before he hung up he said this is your last chance.

HELP HELP HELP SOMEONE PLEASE, WHAT SHOULD I DO?

hI ITS  A PRANK DO NOT BELIEVE IT NEXT TIME HE ASKED  FOR THAT INFORMATION

THE Call is comeing out of  morena ca  called your local police dept  

asap  more calls the more we will get him   ask for bar Id   state Id  

they ususal  hang up  .  the law saids  they cannot put in jail for a pay day loan   they tried on me   on firday but change my phone number  
bbb  burea  said  some jackers broke in to computers  for pay loans
it not true  just tell them you report it to your local  police dept
and FBI

THANKS JOHN DOE

On September 23, 2009, a woman with a thick Indian accent called me at work around 6:05pm. She claimed she was a representative of National Advance Payday Services, phone number 951.616.6885. She told me that she had proof that her company had deposited $300 into my savings account in June of 2009, and that she also had proof that I accepted and withdrew the money out of my account. This is false, as I closed out that account and switched banks in June. She told me that she also had proof that her company had sent me 15 e-mails per month since June demanding payments, and since I haven't payed them back, I would be sued. She also said that I was being charged on three accounts of something or other, with one of them being check fraud. She read off the last four digits of my social security number, as well as my e-mail address and information on my boyfriend and a coworker. It was hard to understand the woman because the connection kept breaking up, as if she was on a cell phone. She put me on hold twice, and each time came back to tell me that if I didn't pay them over $1000 over the phone, they would a) report me to whomever is in charge of credit scores and flag me  b) come to my place of employment the next day and tell my boss what I have done "to shame him,"  c) have me arrested at my job  and d) have my boyfriend and coworker arrested. I told her repeatedly that I had proof of my June statement that there was no such deposit and proof that that account was closed out. She also told me that I need to show up at court on Friday morning, though she didn't tell me what time or which courthouse to be at. She asked for my lawyers information, and I told her that I don't have a lawyer because I have never done business with her company. After nearly 25 minutes she told me to stop waisting her time and to authorize a money transfer, to which I said, "No, you do not have my permission." She again told me that they would be arresting me at work on September 24, and then wished me good luck and hung up.

Its the same thing over and over  its getting old  same numbers  

951-616-6885   national payday loan  its fraud  first  it was the man

handling it  now the women  is takeing over   do not give them anything  

called the FBI  and  your local police dept   Number is comeing out

off MORENA CA   the good news   theses will be in prison soon  doing

theses fraud calls asking for money  Also God is watching  you guys  

doing          this to poor people  

you guys will need the luck    when they get you   any time any day .

the number is  a cell phone number comeing  out of a residental house

Its the same thing over and over  its getting old  same numbers  

951-616-6885   national payday loan  its fraud  first  it was the man

handling it  now the women  is takeing over   do not give them anything  

called the FBI  and  your local police dept   Number is comeing out

off MORENA CA   the good news   theses will be in prison soon  doing

theses fraud calls asking for money  Also God is watching  you guys  

doing          this to poor people  

you guys will need the luck    when they get you   any time any day .

the number is  a cell phone number comeing  out of a residental house

I posted on here yesterday about them calling me, but today it took a turn for the worst. When I got to work today they had already called for me three times. Today they called me at work 9 times in all! The managers were answering the phone and hanging up on them, but I did answer the phone twice. The first time I answered it was the woman "Sara" again. She asked if I remembered her from yesterday and that this was my final warning. I told her that I had reported her and the phone number to the police AND the FBI (which I did, and the FBI said to just hang up on them), and I told her that I knew it was a scam and to stop calling me at home and work. She actually said, "Ma'am, this is a scam, and I will not call you anymore. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you." I hung up the phone and thought it was over. This was about 3:45pm. Then around 5:30pm, I answered the phone and it was a man with an Indian accent, with the same type of background noise as when the woman called. He said, "Meredith? Okay, I'm coming to rape you." I asked who this was, and he came up with the name "Jason" and I want to say "Lawson" for the last name, but I'm not sure because the phone kept cutting out. I said, "Look, I've reported you guys to the police and the FBI" He said, "No, you don't understand. I am coming to assault you. I am a bloody rapist." I told him to get a real job instead of harassing people, and he said, "I do have a real job. I work for the law firm, and I am going to rape you." I hung up and called the police station, but they had me leave a message with the officer who was taking care of the case.

ANYONE ELSE GETTING PHYSICAL THREATS???