Address used by scam PDL/collection companies

I have come accross numerous scam companies that either refuse an address or give a PO BOX. Sometime they give you a physical address but when you check into it is located in the same location as a MAILBOX ETC or UPS STORE. I found one yesterday that I believe are using a UPS store as an address so they get a SUITE # that people think it is a legit address. In checking another ph# and address I came across another agency that is using the same address but different suite number.. when looking at each website they are almost identical!!

Not sure who we can start sending these to someone who can maybe investigate the owners of the so called suites. If any has ideas let me know or send this information to them:

Here are the 2 I found.. Lets try to list "company name" ph#, address, website and maybe a name used

M&S Recovery - 855-793-3214 716-362-8953, 3842 Harlem RD. Ste 216 Buffalo NY 14215
                        http://mandsrecovery.com/index.html, Mason Bridgewater
R&L Capital -     716-362-7607, 3842 Harlem Rd Suite 206, Buffalo NY 14215
                       http://randlcapital.us/aboutus.html, Mark Jacobs, Lenny Levine, Richard Rawlings

There is a UPS Store @ 3842 Harlem Rd

Caller-Lenny Levine threstens to use any means possible to convince me that if I don't cooperate with collection a debt that I'm sure is a Scam, that I will be under investigation and served with some court legal proceedings in civil court? I never answer his calls, return his calls, nor have I ever spoke with him directly. His voicemails try to sound legal and intimidating, but he's a rude obnoxious scammer trying to collect money on a debt that doesn't even exist anymore!

rosemarie,

Find a more appropriate thread, preferably the one corresponding to the phone number they are calling from.  This is not the right place for your post.

Angry,

My personal experience is that the post office requires these operations to obtain proper identification of their customers, and there is paperwork that goes to the post office.

If you can make a reasonable suggestion that there is criminal activity going on which uses one of these addresses, I would report it to the Postal Inspectors.  The scammers may think they are safe if they use a private mailbox provider, but they will be in for a rude shock if the Postal Inspectors get interested.

Incidentally, I have had great help from those guys in the past.  I don't know if things are still the same, but they are probably the best "someone to investigate" I know for the situation you describe.

HTH,

-LS-

Another thing to find out, do UPS stores offer a "virtual office address" in the form of a Suite number that is really just a UPS store box, like a P.O. BOX?

I will look into this more.. Just like you guys, its been a mission to find these crooks and get them to stop.. it might take some time but I will continue to push forward..

Quick check on the UPSstore web site:

Here's what you get with a mailbox rental:

• A street address, not a P.O. Box number
  A street address can provide a professional image for your business.
• 24-hour access*
  Pick up your mail when it’s convenient for you. Your mail and packages stay-safe and confidential.
• Package acceptance from all shipping carriers
  We accept packages from all carriers, so you’ll never miss a delivery.
• Package and mail receipt notification
  We can text or email you when your mail and packages arrive.
• Mail holding and forwarding**
  We’ll hold your packages in a secure location for pick up at your convenience or forward them to you, wherever you are.
• Call-in MailCheck®

I bolded the 2 things that stood out: A street address and mail fowarding.. easy for these crooks to get any mail/payments and hide..

Found a 3rd agency at the Harlem Rd address: this one has a bit of a different site - looks like they "collect" repos etc. states they have "field agents" ACS or Alternative Collection Services.

http://www.acs-cam.com/?page_id=2

I have a family member who uses a UPSstore mailbox.  I was there when it was opened, and they required positive photo id as well as the completion of a USPS form with a current physical address.  

The store manager said that this was required by law, and that the Post Office would not transfer mail to them until the requirements had been satisfied.  He also mentioned that it was an effort to keep criminals from using private boxes.

Here is another "scammer" that the address seems to be at a UPS store.. this was easy to figure out. I put the address in a search and the 3 one comes up UPS store.. Different city.

https://800notes.com/Phone.aspx/1-877-279-5517/6

I called the customer service of UPS Store and they answered 2 questions..

1. The will ot give who owns an individual "box" unless via court order.
2. That the "owner" of such box can forward the mail from that box to another box.

The ones i have found with these address have not called me so I am not sure if I can send a complaint to powers at be .. maybe someone can start pushing this to higher authorities. I find it hard to believe that investigators can not find this information also.. I would love to keep investigating these crooks but not sure how to find more info besides trying to let people know who is not legit!

Anyother "law firm" or agency possibly at a UPS Store:

https://800notes.com/forum/ta-46c44373709cfbd ... 595905107225173

Law Offices of Crystal Moroney, P.C.
119 Rockland Center, Suite 390
Nanuet, New York 10954

1-888-223-0010
Scott Davis, Samantha Miller

FYI, in case you want to quickly find out if an address with a suite number happens to be a UPS Store drop box:
https://800notes.com/forum/ta-76cf028639b6e66 ... 090404033846640

In your case, yes it is:
http://www.theupsstorelocal.com/0224/

The UPS Store
119 ROCKLAND CENTER
NANUET, NY 10954

• Phone (845) 624-3844
• FAX (845) 624-3848
• store0224@theupsstore.com

They claim not to.  One way to find out is to sue R&L and subpoena the UPS store.

It is perfectly reasonable for the UPS Store to require proper legal authority for disclosures.

If someone is up to no good and hiding behind a P.O. Box at a UPS store, there is one simple and effective step you can take. Contact the Postal Inspectors. When they open a post box, even at a UPS store, they are dealing with the postal service, and they have to fill out USPS paperwork.

Furthermore, they are conducting business through the USPS, and that also puts them under the jurisdiction of the Postal Inspectors. This assumes, of course, that you can make a reasonable assertion of unlawful activity by such parties.

As for the oft bandied litigious approach ("...sue R&L and subpoena..."), I am reminded of Mattie Ross' (Kim Darby) unending invocation of "Lawyer Dagget" in True Grit. To quote Ranger La Boeuf, "She draws him like a gun!"

In order to get very far with litigation, you have to show that you have been harmed or will be harmed, and that it is something for which the court can reasonably be expected to provide redress. A failed attempt to deceive does not usually result in such harm. If you have been harmed by an act of fraud through the mails, then the Postal Inspectors are the way to go, with litigation to follow if justified. Simply being annoyed by slimy con artists does not constitute redressable harm or satisfy locus standi.

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/contactus/phoneus.aspx