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Hi Karen,

Curious whether you had any luck getting your money back? I am in both alpine and Dorothy of oz. it's been a very long time. Never any updates on alpine or Dorothy. Michael Douglas is a dead end, and ever ever returns phone calls. No doubt movie is being made, but little doubt of ever seeing a return. Been far too long.

How many shares do you have in Dorothy and are you interested in selling them?

Anybody who is an investor in Dorothy want to sell their shares, I am interested.  Leave a message and I will get you my email.

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Dorothy of Oz Looks Terrible
Posted on 20/04/2012 by anibundel
Are you keeping track of how many Oz spin offs/remakes/prequels are headed down the pike at us? This is the one that stars Lea Michele as the voice of Dorothy–and then seemingly used  the Wheel Of Random Actors to cast the rest of the voices–including Patrick Stewart, Dan Aykroyd, Martin Short and Kelsey Grammer. The synopsis is out, and the whole thing sounds ghastly.

There is trouble in Oz and Dorothy is needed! With Glinda’s help, she and Toto return to Oz. Joined by her old friends the Scarecrow, the Tin Woodman, the Lion as well as exciting new characters, Dorothy sets out on a perilous journey to stop the crafty Jester from using the power of the Wicked Witch of the West’s wand to turn the people of Oz into puppets. That seems to be the least of Dorothy’s problems as her travels lead her straight into a treacherous maze, a cave full of very hungry dragons and an evil spell that could destroy the Yellow Brick Road. Dorothy has the daunting knowledge that it is up to her to stop Jester’s terrible plan. Audiences will welcome the return of the old Oz favorites and will love meeting new friends like Tugg a gruff talking boat and Wiser an owl with an unlucky attraction to molasses.

For those of us who read the 12 original books by Baum until they fell to bits, I would like to make sure my opinion here is clear–I’m Offended. “Tugg a Gruff Talking Boat”? A “Crafty Jester”? “An unlucky attraction to molasses”?! Is this Oz or that Candyland move people keep threatening to make?

Did the people who wrote this schmaltz even know there were more books? Did they even bother read the first one? Or did they just see the Judy Garland movie and make assumptions from there? This sounds like it belongs in the straight to DVD pile.

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Sharon says:
20/04/2012 at 14:52
Have you ever heard of Roger S Baum? L Frank Baum’s great grandson that wrote Dorothy of OZ and a dozen or more books to continue his great grandfather’s legacy? That’s what this movie is based on.
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anibundel says:
20/04/2012 at 16:01
I decided at the ripe old age of eight that if it wasn’t part of the original 14 by L Frank, it didn’t count as an Oz book. This is why I stopped reading after Glinda of Oz. I did not know the term “cannon” at that point, but I stand by my instincts. If it wasn’t one of the Original 14 it shouldn’t be advertised as an “Oz” story without a big fat Astrix next to it.

And seriously? if this is the sort of plot one finds in Roger’s Oz books? my eight year old self made the right choice. This sounds godawful, like a Disney movie sequel with a straight to DVD plot line to make money of the 5year old set who don’t have decerning taste.
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AnnaMouse (@AnnaMouse612) says:
21/04/2012 at 12:35
If it”s based on Roger’s …. they are at best dubious picture books , run! He’s a very nice man but ruth plumly thompson wrote better extensions of Oz than he does. And yes by all means the original 14 are the best—with the addition of sky island and the sea faries which although not oz per se are the further adventures of Trot and Cap’n Bill, and pretty good.

I have 75000 shares in both dorthy of oz and emerald city of oz, I'll sell the lot for for $150,000 which will leave you millions to make when and if this ever makes it to theaters.

LOS ANGELES - These defendants sold more than $2.6 million in illegal, unqualified "shares," despite previous cease-and-desist orders against all of them, the California attorney general says: Alpine Pictures, Dorothy Of Oz LLC dba Box Office Productions III LLC, Ryan Carroll, Rene Torres, and Neil Kaufman.
http://www.asc.state.al.us/Orders/2009/CD-2009-0034.pdf
http://www.corp.ca.gov/ENF/pdf/2009/DorothyOz_dr.pdf
https://www.secure.psc.state.pa.us/releases/m ... 911305776061531
http://www.sec.state.ma.us/sct/sctmckenna/mckenna_complaint.pdf
http://www.asc.state.al.us/Orders/2009/CD-2009-0034.pdf
It is not so much a matter of whether it is real or not. The question no one bothers to ask is how the money is being spent Greg Centineo says he has raised over $50M and if my calculations are correct that is a commission to him of $10M. I would be excited too. He can't fail. The production company also made over $10M so far, again they win, and how the other $30 M was spent is anyone's guess. Has anyone seen a cost report, budget or any accounting documents? If they aren’t raising money legally why would they do anything else legally? It doesn’t seem to really matter to Greg, and the others because they have all become rich.; VERY rich in a bad economy.

MLK has it right; the biggest problem is that these guys are selling these shares to unqualified, unsophisticated investors, in violation of the SEC rules that regulate these types of investments, and in a contradiction of their own SEC application Form D. I personally know some of these not accredited investors and can vouch for their unsophistication (gullibility).

The problem with the earnings might be even larger than MLK reported. If you read the Mckenna complaint from the state of Massachusetts,

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/sct/sctmckenna/mckenna_complaint.pdf

you will find that McKenna had a contract to receive and indeed received a 40%  “consulting fee”, making the amount earned by selling 50M of these shares a whopping $20,000,000.00. Not bad, there is a great earning opportunity and no risk whatsoever to the consultants or producers.

Whether the project fails or not is irrelevant, and in spite of these peoples long history of scams and failures, I hope that for the sake of the countless people who invested money that they could not afford to lose, it is a smashing success. The main point is that these guys with their proven record of failures and loses are risking other (unqualified) people’s money, on a crazy independent movie idea in a market that is dominated by major studios, while at the same time making perhaps as much as 40% of all the “shares” sold. MLK, I don’t think you would be happy or excited to risk so much of other people’s lives on such highly speculative risk,and in violation of countless regulations. I rather suspect, judging by your ability to think clearly, that you might find it hard to sleep at night.

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I am an investor in the new Dorothy of OZ franchise and movies that star Lea Michelle.  I am curious if others in the Wizard of Oz Club have invested or are interested in investing the the franchise and movies?  I would like to open a discussion about it and the potential for success of the franchise and new movies coming out.

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I think it is strange more investors are not talking about this investment.  Are we the only ones who invested?  Did you invest with Box Office Productions?  Do you think the film will be released in 2012?

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Maybe because you two are likely to be the only investors in this Dorothy of Oz franchise.
I do not mean to alarm you, but Alpine Pictures (AKA Box Office Productions/Summertime Entertainment) have had a
history of scamming thousands of investors out of thousands of dollars. Simply search "alpine pictures investment scam"
and see what you get. Many investors have said that that is the reason why Alpine has changed their names some many times.
Alpine Pictures, Box Office Productions, Box Office Productions II, Box Office Productions III, The Family Film Fund, and Summertime Entertainment.
Look them all up on Google, and they all have two names in common. CEOs Ryan and Roland Carroll. Also known as the Carroll Brothers in their early filmmaking career.

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Investment scams? Yike! I was thinking that maybe no one else replied because most posters here are just fans and while some do have heftier bank accounts, they don't exactly have the money to invest in a big movie.

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Ozfano8 you might be right about Alpine pictures.  But the movie appears to be in production.  Who's making, Dorothy of Oz? 

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Just because Dorothy of Oz may be in production, that doesn't mean they can't scam investors for some extra money.

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Dorothy of Oz LLC & Box Office Productions III LLC
by svadmin » Tue Dec 06, 2011 10:04 am

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Too funny!!!  Loser, Dazzled, Mlk, Cab, Oz Forum and Scam all post within minutes of each other!! What,are you guys all sitting in the same basement or bedroom?? Or maybe you guys are all one in the same! Funnier still is you keep re-posting the same stuff you've posted earlier here or on other blog sites.

Loser  - you take the cake! So you are convinced this is all a scam and you're going to lose all your money yet you want twice what you paid for your shares - maybe you do deserve to lose it all!

Johnny - I id not re-post the old stuff. I don't know who did.
Loser - tell me that you didn't pay 75K and are looking for 150K. There's a lot of gullible people out there, but I doubt that you will find one twice as big as you are.

If you want out I will buy them for $35,000.00

I am simply responding to 2 posts that are asking if anyone wants to sell their shares. I paid a buck for the Dorothy of Oz but I think I paid a buck and a half for the emerald city shares. As I am sure that you are aware when selling something one must begin with an asking price and then negotiate from there. Yes, I am a dumbass for buying this crap but there appears to be plenty of dumbasses to go around. However, my gut tells me that that post,as well as some obvis others are just plants by the company to bolster sales.

Johnny, you are apparently a very astute individual that is apparently excellants at research. I am curious how much you invested and whether you can assist me in better understanding this investment since I seem unable to get an straight answers. Exactly how much money was raised and how many investors are there? Are there any cost reports available? Why are we more than 2 years off schedule? Has a distributor picked up this film yet? What is the agreement with distributor? What is release date? How many theaters? Is it worldwide? If it only goes to DVD was it worth the time, money and delays for 3D? Exactly how much does this thing need to sell to even get close to break even? I thought this damn thing was suppose to be in the theater and earning money last year ( revised to this year) but it seems like they are still having delays and just getting around to recording some actors, is that normal? What's the latest with Walmart? Are they willing to wait? Is the virtual world earning millions yet, as promised? It seems like every studio has ther own Oz project that they are selling, is anyone going to get behind this mess? How much money does it cost to effectively to distribute this film? I've read that major motion pictures spend $50,000,000 on advertising alone. Is this $20,000,0000 project ballooning into $150,000,000? It seems like it will need to earn half a billion to break even after all the costs. Are the actors and Bonne radfords bonuses paid from alpines share and do not effect the investors?

I realize $75,000 later that the original answers I received meant nothing and that every question I ask, when allowed to, is just covered up in more hype.

I appreciate your sarcasm that maybe I deserve to lose all my money, sadly I do agree with you on that. I have only myself to blame for this folly, but I am curios why, if you are an investor you would find humor in this when you too would be a loser as well. It just seems like an odd thing to say. I am obviously not as shrewd a sleuth as yourself, and never even caught the time stamp discrepancies or duplicate postings as you did. But I really wonder why you find humor in any of this? I'll be honest I don't like losing money, but I am very lucky that it won't change anything in my life, but I wonder about others. What if they put their retirement money into this? It just makes me sick to my stomach to think that Greg Centineo is out jet skiing on soe guys retirement fund. Like I said I am not as smart as you, but I do think that there might be more comfort in facts than in snide comments. If you work for them then just say so, and provide valid facts on what is going. Why are there so many unanswered questions and Tom foolery by the company posting as johnnyB instead of just saying you're a salesmen or telemarketer?

If you want to sell.  sridge@southwestwyoming.com

Loser - Let me first assure you that I have no connection to Summertime , Alpine or anyone raising money for the movie. I am an investor in ECOZ also. Whether you believe me or not, well what can I do. Personally, I don't think the company or the fundraisers would take the risk of posting here as there is nothing but downside to them. If they posted anything positive about the movie , people here would discount it as they would view it as pumping. I will also add here that all the issues stemmed from fund raising before ECOZ began raising funds for the project. The previous people in charge of fundraising for DOZ truely didn't know what they were doing. In all the posts here about legal issues, I haven't seen Ecoz mentioned in any of them. I know through my experience when I subscribed to invest in ECOZ I had to personally talk to Greg C. first and he told me up front" you could lose all your money, this is a risky investment!" He also told me that I would find on the internet the issues with Alpine. I am curious about your experience , especially if you saw any differences between the DOZ and ECOZ fundraising process as it related to you.

My previous post was simply because I found it very strange (and funny) that there were so many posts made so close togther by so many supposedly different people, it seemed like it was an orchestrated attack. You as an investor should not be happy with people attacking your investment, just as you would not be happy with a short seller bashing a stock you held. As regards to the posts I was refering to , CAB did post that it was not him re-posting , I think the posts were probably by one individual using several names of previous posters to re-post old info. I don't know what this individuals motivation is or what his relation to the project is.Maybe he is a frustrated investor, maybe he was someone who once worked on the project and was let go, maybe it is someone who tried to work on the project and was turned away - who knows? But as an investor, I know the info after it was posted once, I don't need to see it again and again.

I was brought into the project by a friend who invested before me. He is a smart guy, sucessful and I will admit I "rode his coat tails" on this and didn't research it as much as I would normally would and relied on his thoughts. I know that he gets regular update calls and has been out to one of the studio tours. I don't know the answers to all your questions but are you telling me that you have no contacts with anyone on the project? I know that I have asked a few questions over the past year and have always received a phone call or email response. I will touch base with my friend and see if I can get some of your questions answered. I do know that they have made changes and re-writes to the movie to make it better so that would account for some of the delays.

I hope you and I don't turn out to be "Losers" in this project and I really don't want you to lose all of your money. One of the frustrations with private deals like this is that we can't see the price everyday like a publicly traded stock or get updates on the current business in real time. Maybe that isn't always a bad thing - I'm looking at Green Mountain Coffee stock today trading off over 45% today because of a bad earnings release yesterday after the market closed. So here you have thousands and thousands of investors who lost 45% of their investment (maybe it comes back maybe it doesn't). But my point is tha there is risk in everything you and I invest in. I certainley didn't invest in this movie thinking it would be risk free and was and am prepared to write the whole thing off if it fails. There are certain posters here who would seem to be delighted if you and I lose all their money and I don't quite understand that thinking. (I admit I was guilty of that in my comment to you and apologize for it). I suppose the internet causes people to react in ways they wouldn't normally interact with people and I'm sure if you and I were sitting at a bar talking about this we would have a laugh about some of the posts , even if we disagreed with this deal.

I will let you know if I find out any answers to any of the questions you asked but I would also ask you to try to contact Greg C. or someone at Summertime and see if you get a response back.If you have given up on the project, I don't know how serious "Interested" is in buying your shares but it that is an option for you.

JohnnyB

I am serious

You guys just don't get it, do you?  You're dreaming of success against all facts and ignoring reality.  If you meet the criteria for accredited investors and you decided that it was smart to invest in 40% front loaded securities I can't help you. I'm sorry but I don't feel like explaining it all to you again and I will now have to repeat the entire June, 2011 post, see if you can figure out where the real offence is?

"The biggest problem is that these guys are selling these shares to unqualified, unsophisticated investors, in violation of the SEC rules that regulate these types of investments, and in a contradiction of their own SEC application Form D. I personally know some of these not accredited investors and can vouch for their unsophistication (gullibility).

The problem with the earnings might be even larger than MLK reported. If you read the Mckenna complaint from the state of Massachusetts,

http://www.sec.state.ma.us/sct/sctmckenna/mckenna_complaint.pdf

you will find that McKenna had a contract to receive and indeed received a 40%  “consulting fee”, making the amount earned by selling 50M of these shares a whopping $20,000,000.00. Not bad, there is a great earning opportunity and no risk whatsoever to the consultants or producers.

Whether the project fails or not is irrelevant, and in spite of these peoples long history of scams and failures, I hope that for the sake of the countless people who invested money that they could not afford to lose, it is a smashing success. The main point is that these guys with their proven record of failures and loses are risking other (unqualified) people’s money, on a crazy independent movie idea in a market that is dominated by major studios, while at the same time making perhaps as much as 40% of all the “shares” sold. MLK, I don’t think you would be happy or excited to risk so much of other people’s lives on such highly speculative risk,and in violation of countless regulations. I rather suspect, judging by your ability to think clearly, that you might find it hard to sleep at night.

CAB,CAB,CAB.... what is it we supposedly "don't get"?  You say I'm dreaming of success and ignoring reality - did you miss the part where I mentioned that I know this is risky and I could lose all my money? Where in any of my two posts did I mention anything about this being a guaranted sucess and that I'm going to make a ton of money? I even admitted I relied on someone else's recommendation - I violated my rule of only investing in what I research and understand myself.

And how many times are you gonna post THE SAME THING! We can click on those little numbers at the bottom of this board and read what you've posted before. And as I mentioned in my last post, this is related to the old fundraising effort done by individuals who didn't quite know what they were doing. This is not related to the current fund raising effort.

Well at least you do say that you hope the movie is a smashing sucess and on that we agree.

Cheers

JohnnyB

What about it, Loser, Karen?