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These people called and harrassed my family about a debt I owe. The first call was to tell them there was a restraining order out on me and that I must call this numer to resolve it. The next call was to tell let them know that I was going to be arrested within the hour if I did not make contact.

Mind you I have a listed phone number and never once have I been called or a letter sent to my home!!!!

Sure, I called them.....They would not answer any of my questions and after informing them that I knew my rights and that they could not arrest me for not paying a bill and to leave my family alone, I WAS HUNG UP ON!!!!

These people are crazy if they think I am gonna fall for that crap. Take me to court so be it! But do not call and lie just so you can "fool" or "trick" me into contacting you. Big no no!!!!!!

As far as I am concerned this bill will never get paid now....just on principal!!!!!!

FDCPA prohibits all sorts of practices that debt collectors do.  The prohibitions were put in the law BECAUSE of what debt collectors were doing.

They still do it.

No law makes anyone honest if they choose not to be honest.

None of this has anything to do with whether people should pay their bills.  FDCPA applies regardless of whether a debt is owed or not.  Just the demand by a debt collector to pay an alleged debt makes them subject to FDCPA.

If debt collectors use deception or harassment to get money, and they know the money is not owed, they are more accurately described as criminals running an extortion racket or con.

Yet the number, 888-541-8058, isn't listed.
Search yellowpages.com, nothing.

Only way you get this number is if they call you and direct you to it, or if you find it on 800notes and similar sites.

They don't want business.
They are hiding, deliberately.

And their "name", doesn't exist either.
Search on their alleged name,  "L.M. Partners", still nothing.  Unlisted.

They don't want business.
They don't want anyone looking for them to find them.
They are hiding.

"The bill is yours. "
"They bought it."
"You still owe it. "

Unknown.  All unproven without validation.

They are systematically avoiding validation.
Why?

This is the "Corona Scam".

"These people called and harrassed my family about a debt I owe."
Did any information they had actually match any debt you owe, or did it just sound similar to one you might owe?
Have you checked your credit reports to see if they pulled one, which would have given them information on your old accounts?

"The first call was to tell them there was a restraining order out on me and that I must call this numer to resolve it."
A "restraining order" would PREVENT you from contacting them.  A phone call TO THEM would not "resolve it".

"The next call was to tell let them know that I was going to be arrested within the hour if I did not make contact. "
That labels this as a scam.

"Mind you I have a listed phone number and never once have I been called or a letter sent to my home!!!!"
A legitimate debt collector would have mailed you a letter within 5 days of their first call.  Your phone number was easy to find, and easy to use to harass you.

"Sure, I called them.....They would not answer any of my questions and after informing them that I knew my rights and that they could not arrest me for not paying a bill and to leave my family alone, I WAS HUNG UP ON!!!!"
Caught, so hang up.

"As far as I am concerned this bill will never get paid now...."
So far, there is no proof there even is any "debt", let alone a "debt" owed to these crooks.

Welcome to the Corona Scam.

"I recieved a call telling me I was going to be served papers on a debt that started out from an overcharge in 2004 of less than $20.  At that time I attempted to settle the debt because of a work injury and loss of my job. Perhaps because they were adding about $100. a month to the bill they wouldn't work with me."

You may believe this is related, but as yet you have no proof.  Do not believe what you want to believe until you know what you ought to know.


"Now I get a ph call saying I was served notice by Phone to appear in court in a state I haven't lived in for almost 4yr"

"Served notice by phone"?  Never heard of it. If it were legal, every shady scam debt collector would already be using it to get default judgements.  The courts would be choked, and it would be a major scandal.  (rather like NAF)


"When I asked what court he said he didn't have that info. So I called the district and municiple court where they said I Had to go and was told it is not legal to serve papers on the phone."

That says the call was a scam.  All other "information" from that source is now suspect.


"I notified the Att. Gen. in CA. where there office is supposed to be, the Att. Gen. in the state where I live, and the Att.Gen. in the state they named.  I have recieved corespondance back from all three saying this is not legal. "

You are dealing with a "con".


"They never said they were a debt colection company. they did state there roll was to inform me of the summons and appear the next day in court or pay the bill."

Demanding payment for a "delinquent bill" makes them a debt collector, as defined by FDCPA and California state law, regardless of what they say or don't say.


"So that $20. has become $5,000."

More likely $0 has become "$5,000".  You have NOTHING to indicate they have any right to demand payment on any debt related to the $20 you remember.

Did they "suggest" what this was about, and you connected it to the old $20 overcharge you remembered?

Or did they have some part f the account information on your old account, which they could have obtained by pulling your own credit reports?

Check your credit reports to see if you have a very recent inquiry from them.

Welcome to the Corona Scam.

" They certainly don't want to give you any legal evidence to give to the Attorney General."

That is why they do it all by phone, and not in writing.

"They said I have to pay a certain amount or they will serve me with a summons"
That is what they always say.  Why always by phone?

"Nothing in the mail."
Debt collectors are required to send you a letter within 5 days notifying you of your right to dispute and request proof of alleged debts.  Where is their letter?

"This is from a credit card supposedly in 2006. I haven't moved so why not contact by mail explaining what its for. I have gotten nothing from the credit card company at all."
Most likely becaue you don't owe this credit card company.


Check your credit reports.

You may find an inquiry indicating they pulled a credit report, from which they might have obtained information on one of your old accounts.  You might find that they are using this information to fake their debt claim.  You can verify with your credit card company that no balance is owed, or if a balance is owed, who it is owed to.

If you find evidence of fraudulent debt collectoin, you should contact FTC, your state Attorney General, and the California Attorney General.

Welcome to the Corona Scam.

they are: LM Partners, 32295 Mission Trail, Suite 8385-20
Lake Elsinore, CA  92530
Tel: (888) 541-8058

http://www.la.bbb.org/Business-Report/LM-Partners-100103533

This has become their new shill line:  to discredit all the reports outing them as a scam, claim to be a "poor shmuck who got sued for thinking they were a scam".  

This new line has been showing up scattered across all the "Corona scam" threads, regardless of the various "company names".

"Discover Corona, home to the Corona Scam."
No one ever head of Corona before these idiots put it on the map.

They appear to be an expanding cluster of LLCs set up in the Corona area, all using Corona or Lake Elsinore mail drops.  They all use the same threats and tactics, so they may be related companies cooperating, or maybe just the same people using multiple names to hide behind.

Reports are they pretend to be not only "process servers", but also "Sheriff deputies", "DA employees", "lawyers", or anyone else they think you will fall for.

About half of all complaints report they first call a relative, often located across the country, claiming to be a "process server", who threatens to deliver a summons, or have you "arrested" if you don't call their number within hours.  The calls to relatives indicate they have access to skip-tracing information. The threats, panic, and calling them back appears to be the purpose of this call.

They seldom send anything in writing, in particular not the initial letter required by FDCPA, although their shills claim they get these letters.  They never provide proof of any debt, although in some cases they promise they will provide "proof" after you pay them (LOL).   In some cases it may sound similar to some old account on your credit reports, or the account numbers might not match.  Other consumers have caught them using online court records to get personal information, and entirely fake debt claims for credit card accounts at banks they never had accounts with.


As for real addresses, why don't you contact the Riverside County DA?  Or look up PMG through their business license with the city of Corona.  They seem to be the only one of the Corona cluster with a non-mail drop address, in some business park.  In addition, they seem to be tightly tied to Pacific Management and Recovery, which shows 5 federal lawsuits, so someone is managing to find them.  If you get an attorney, they should be able to find them and their registered agents, too, through their LLC registrations with the Cal. Secretary of State, and the lawsuit documentation on Pacer.
 
"Ms. Drake" is busy robbing Peter, Paul, and anyone else she can "con".

"She pretends to be 2 different people and when you call her out on it she will hang up on you."

Two people is nothing.  Look how many people they play as shills, or how many names and numbers they go by.  No wonder they answer "Corporate" if they don't know who they're supposed to be until you tell them.

"There is really a bill, they really bought it, and they are really trying to collect it illegally. I am sure that your son did have a checking accout that he does owe money on, but this company adds money to bill. "

You couldn't possibly know whether there ever was any "debt", or whether they really bought it.  You already know they refuse to validate, instead employing threats.  Even legitimate debt collectors contact people in error, but to routinely use illegal threats and lies points to more.


"As parents we say to our children to pay their bills and I am a firm believer in paying what you owe, but a legitimate agency would not practice this way. "

We also need to teach them that there are crooks in this world, and that if you are not careful they will defraud you. We have not taught them well if we tell them to trust everyone who calls on the phone making threats and demanding money.  


They are caught in lie after lie, and when you find systematic deception you can prove, you have to suspect that there is additional deception you have yet to prove.  That makes ALL statements by the liars suspect.  The most likely reason for all this deception is that the basis for the whole scheme, this "debt", is fake, as that would be motive for using threats and lies where no proof of the debt exists.

Lawyers that routinely collect debts ARE debt collectors, by law.
They are not "lawyers", they are liars.
Refusing to give their address says it all.

You are a shill, posting to make it appear "normal" to not get any proof of a debt before paying.

Federal law (FDCPA) gives you the right to demand proof of the alleged debt, to be obtained by the debt collector from the original creditor and sent to you.

That's if they buy them at all.

If they are buying these "debts", why do they make illegal threats, rather than provide validation as the law requires?

These people are a joke,got a call today asked them to verify debt got upset.Theese people need to be take down fot thier illegal actions.How about a class action law syit.

This collector is using illegal methods.
They told me two very flagrant lies:
1) That they only had to attempt to serve papers 2 times and then they could hold a hearing without my presence.
2) That if they got a judgement before the bankruptcy was filed, that the bankruptcy could not include their judgement.

After talking to my attorney, I called them back, recording the call, and they changed their tune and denied saying what they had said 1 and one half hours earlier.

Lesson: If you end up in phone conversation with these criminals, use your cell phone's record feature (you have to inform them you are recording) and they will behave themselves. Be sure to practice the recording with someone else first, so you know how to do it.

The "case number" that they gave me was not legitimate either, but it matched the pattern of case numbers used in one of the local court systems.

In fact, now that I've read some of the other posts, I realize that they just got lucky in fooling me. The person they said they tried to serve twice, is normally home full time, but was away this week. They called, pretending to be process servers, and then told me to call the debt collector. There is no evidence that they tried to serve, no notes left, no one rang the bell according to people that were home. I was wondering why they were doing things so weird, now it makes sense. These are real scumbags.